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Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

the actual discussion was about democrats calling for the abolition of private healthcare which I've called socialism, for some reason shadow completely ignored that this was my point and went off into some ridiculous strawman

The actual discussion, as in what the democratic nominees propose. They're not proposing anything other than the healthcare models found in other developed nations.

Calling it socialism, just to bring up non-developed nations and dictatorships, isn't going to lead to any productive discussion about the topic.

"Bernie Sanders says there's no middle ground on eliminating private insurance"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-says-theres-no-middle-ground-on-eliminating-private-insurance

but that's not socialism correct? because socialism does not exist right?

"Calling it socialism, just to bring up non-developed nations and dictatorships" 

I didn't initially, someone else did and they were called wrong all I did was to point out how its valid for people to state that democrats are pushing socialism... so are we not allowed to discuss this because it potentially makes democrats look bad?