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the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

Red states never having a chance at electing a Conservative President again equates to red states not having an advantage to you?

Having your vote count more would equate to having an advantage.  

EricHiggin said:

-If you look at America in general the central portion of the country is red, and no, that does not mean they all would immediately leave and join together, but it would be a smart move to do it together and pre planned for many reasons. Even if it took a few larger more impactful states to do so, others would follow quickly in this situation.

That's conjecture.  

EricHiggin said:

-Owned by the red states? You think if a bunch of states separated that they would give all of their military weaponry to Washington? The people in those states paid it's fair share for it's portion, just like the roads.

I have no idea what you're responding to.  Never said anything about "giving all of their military weaponry to Washington".

EricHiggin said:

-Who said they planned on using them other than to defend themselves and their newly found Country?

If red states didn't use them, they'd be at a massive disadvantage.  

EricHiggin said:

-Well for any countries who rely on food sourced from America, it would matter quite a bit, and when the prices went way up, they wouldn't be happy, and would have the coastal country to blame as well. Otherwise what are they going to do, tell those central red states they can't leave and to just keeping fighting an unwinnable political battle? Sounds kinda like Brexit, no?

-When the red states have banded together and because they control a tonne of the local food supply, they decide to up their prices 10X let's say. The coastal country now has to pay that until they can bring in enough outside food, if they can. When those outside sources find out the food in coastal America now costs 10X as much, they will jack up their prices too, so those coastal states will now be paying 5X or more for what poorer, lower quality food they can get their hands on. How well is your economy going to do if your people are hungry, unhealthy, or fed and healthy but much poorer because of it? Not to mention things like if the east and west can truly be geographically split, then the central country can cause a major headache in terms of travel for the coastal country in many ways.

The problem is, red states don't have this giant food advantage that you think they do.   

California alone makes 11% of the US food production.  Other likely blue states like Minnesota and Illinois make up another 10%.  Those 3 states make up more food production than the top 3 red states.  Red states all together do have an advantage, but it's not as big as you think.  

And this is all ignoring that a huge portion of food gets imported from other countries.  In fact most fruit gets imported from other countries. Which set of states do you think they'd trade with? 

If you add in import, the red state's food advantage disappears.  

And again, this doesn't matter.   Most states are purple.  

Even Texas:

What do you think the 40% of Democratic voters would do?  

It just isn't possible for a red vs blue state conflict, because red and blue states don't exactly exist.  

So if the red states votes actually counted more then it would be an advantage? So there votes already don't count enough?

It's all basically conjecture if you want to start using that as a response, but it still doesn't change the central portion being mostly red.

You said "the US has a lot of guns, but most of them are owned by a small percentage of the population." So who owns them, other than the military?

So guns would only useful for offensive purposes in this case? Why?

Well I didn't think I would have to list every single thing the central portion could do. I guess I'll name a few more things they would use to persuade, like oil, coal, waterways, air travel.

Imagine not being able to fly straight across the country and having to go around the central portion every single time, where as the central portion would mostly only need to fly straight up and down. In terms of everything they can use to their advantage, this also wouldn't happen slowly over time, it would be put in place very quickly so the coasts couldn't simply plan ahead and import more overnight. You also failed to address the raised prices of everything and how that's going to impact the 'wealthier' coastal area's. You also haven't taken into account the water needed to grow that food and who's growing the food. How do you easily and cheaply grow your food if the central portion controls most of the waterways? You think because a Conservative farmer is in California, that they will side with their state or the coastal area's together? They are likely to sell to the central portion who is paying more on purpose to make sure the coastal area's have shortages. With the prices being so high, and having no other choice because it happens so quickly out of the blue, the central area will be able to afford it as well. Will the central portion also just let the coastal area's import as much as they can without hassle? What if those shipments are turned around or just delayed? What if the central portion purposely uses it's excess funds to gobble up as much imported food as possible so they have a monopoly on it, so the coasts are basically forced to purchase from them one way or another. The red states would also instate conservative policies and will get rid of illegal immigrants, reverse abortion, cut back on welfare, etc, which will change any purple states to solid red again. The border states could even 'open the border' and allow the immigrants to easily cross into the coastal regions while keeping them out of the central portion for the most part, forcing the coastal regions for focus more heavily on border security. The possibilities are endless.

The point is the central portion could easily outlast the coastal area's and it wouldn't take long for the coastal people to push their Gov to make a deal and get things back to the way they used to be.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 28 June 2019

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