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tsogud said:
eva01beserk said:

Well thas something you took cuz you refuse to accept what im saying. In no way am I indecisive or in the fence. I stated clearly what I believe should be done. You for some reason think that the only two options are get rid of all social programs or 100% free everything. I say we keep the social programs but only to those that really need it and never 100% everything, give them the need to work for the rest. Its quite simple, if you refuse to accept that than thats on you.

Then you have shown your willful ignorance on the matter entirely and you should educate yourself on the subject before you start posting nonsense on forums, or at least actually listen when people try to tell you that you have the situation misunderstood. These types of social programs can only work if we go "100% everything" as you put it. You can't just choose who gets what for free, for example this healthcare reform that I've been referencing is an all or nothing deal. Everyone has to pitch in and be covered in order for it to work the way it's intended, otherwise it's just another Obamacare. I completely understood what you said and meant but you have it wrong and you need to work on accepting constructive criticism.

I think you have to do some research. The Issue with the US is the regulation of the cost of care. Hospitals here cost an insane amount compared to other nations. Covering the entire nation 100% would raise taxes higher than what other nations would pay for equal coverage. Until the US regulates health care facilitys to charge what ever they want, as soon as free health care is applied, prices will go up, but you wont see it, they will bill the government then the government will raise taxes to pay for it. Cant say that I know, but im sure a country like germany does not the health care facility's to just jack up prices to the extend of the us facility's. You seem to think the only reason this is not working in the US is just because we are unwilling to, but there are other barriers. 

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