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Azuren said:
SpokenTruth said:
gamingsoul said:
SpokenTruth said:
eva01beserk said:

So were gona have to put buts and exceptions then? ok. then illegal immigrants are the most violent and do the most crimes if you account for per capita  do you agree with that?

Again, with the affordability, with california leading the way in social programs, how is affordability the worst than any other state?

No.  Because every study on the subject states they do less violent crime per capita than regular citizens.

Do you just make this stuff up or get from far right media?

show me please

This article links to 7 studies and criminal statistics to back up my claim.

But here's a couple of simple charts for quick reference.

The real question is why do the crime rates of native-born citizens matter in a discussion about immigrant crime rates? What immigration policies will prevent native-born citizens from committing crime?

Ask eva01beserk.  He made the claim illegal immigrants do the most crimes per capita and were violent. I should showed he was wrong.  If you want to debate why we're discussing native born crime in a discussion of immigration, you'll need to ask him.

Azuren said:

1). Except they do still bring crime at a much higher rate than legal immigrants, 2). crime that would happen much less if immigration policies were addressed and improved. The point made by those discussing crime committed by illegal immigrants does include the disingenuous claims that they commit crime at a higher rate than citizens, but the point that people who are acting in good faith would point out is much of this is 3). crime wouldn't even be in the country in the first place if there was better border security.

1). Rates are skewed because this includes gang and criminal activity.  By that I mean the majority of illegal immigrants common immigrants who can't wait for our antiquated immigration system to push their asylum case (because we got rid of our case worker program...ooops).

2). You're actually correct on this.  We do need to modernize our immigration system.  But as such, it's irrelevant to the crime rate of illegal and legal immigrants given that gangs and criminals won't give a damn what we do regarding immigration policy.

3). You still seem to be under the impression criminals intend to obey our immigration laws.

And.....4). Since you asked the question, "why do the crime rates of native-born citizens matter in a discussion about immigrant crime rates?" Looking at the thread topic...we are all way off course for the actual discussion.

Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 25 June 2019

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