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tsogud on 24 June 2019
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eva01beserk said:
tsogud said:

Well obviously people have to come to compromises but that's not really what I was talking about and it's completely different from the "with us or against us" attitude, which most people can agree is not a good attitude to have. I guess I should've been more clear, my issue is that you can't be "in the middle of the road" on issues/topics because that's not really a stance, you're just luke warm. You can be on one side of the argument and still see the other side but ultimately you have to make a definitive stance and then compromise from there.

That proverb applies to trade skills but it doesn't apply here because you literally can't teach the man anything if he's dead due to him not having access to the healthcare he needed. These social programs like universal healthcare and tuition-free education have been proven to work. People still work when their basic needs like healthcare, education, food and shelter are met because they want a more luxurious life. You don't suddenly become lazy because now you have a place to sleep at night.

No, i refuse to believe that I have to be in one extreme or the other on any topic,  no matter what it is. Thats a lousy excuse for people to say im ultimately right and you dont agree cuz you are evil. 

And yes, the proverb does apply, you just have to reach the man before he is on that condition. When he still has options. And the only people who will put the effort if all their needs are met are only going to be the ones who have a chance to reach the very top. If they fail they will give up and settle for free living. Most people dont have a shot at the big leagues so the majority will just accept it and just let life and opportunity pass them by. 

I never said you had to be at an extreme, all I said was that being on the fence or "in the middle" on issues is not a definitive stance. You can be on the fence on things but ultimately, once you hear both sides of the argument, you have to come to your own conclusion on who/what you believe is right and then compromise from there IF you feel it's an issue worth compromising on. You can't be on the fence your whole life.

@bolded: Did you not understand what I wrote?? That's what those social programs do! That's us reaching out to the man before he's in that condition, so he has options. Not everyone is born with a roof over their heads, food on the table, and good health. And the best part is that these programs have been proven to work.

I honestly think you need to take a step back and look at the facts, apart from everyone else, and come to your own conclusion on what you believe. It seems you don't have your political beliefs all ironed out yet and that's fine but you at least need to have some idea on where you stand and where you draw the line. Maybe you'll end up admitting to yourself that maybe you're more conservative/liberal than you previously thought.

Last edited by tsogud - on 24 June 2019