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Azuren said:
HylianSwordsman said:

No, I just disagree with you. And yes you are gatekeeping. And you're obsessed. I'm not going to change my mind.

No, I'm not. I'm calling you out for pretending to know what you're talking about, which you clearly don't. When you claim to know enough about something to discuss it, you can't cry "gatekeeping" when someone calls you out for either not knowing anything about it. Unless, of course, you DO know enough about it and are either being stubborn about admitting you're wrong or are simply so mentally inept that you somehow still think DDD isn't a main chapter of the story.

But I think we already got your answer in "I'm not going to change my mind".

Of course I know what I'm talking about. The events of 1, 2, and 3 wouldn't even make sense without details from almost all of the non-numbered games (Coded might be skipable). I'm not arguing that the numbered games wouldn't need the non-numbered ones to be understood. I'm arguing that they are spin-offs regardless because they are by my definition of spinoff. You just have no interest in understanding or respecting my point of view. You have failed to change my mind, but you might have had more luck had you at least tried to understand things from my perspective. I don't give a shit if they're spinoffs or not. You're hung up on that word but the point was never what to call the games, it was always that the way the story is presented is stupid. A particular thread of the story is told in the numbered games that ISN'T told in the non-numbered games, not even DDD, not in my view anyway. I think that has created problems for the average person understanding the plot and staying interested in the story. I've been waiting for the thread of the story continued in 3, and I'm frustrated by how they stretched it out with mandatory-to-play-to-understand-the-plot games that storywise could have just been flashbacks or subchapters in the numbered games.