What is Gender?

[o_O.Q]

SpokenTruth said:

o_O.Q said:

"And I have no idea what you're trying to say in your last paragraph."

ok lets take incels as an example, they feel for various reasons like all women are "whores" and as a result they have great disdain for women

but to reasonable people this is not reality we understand that they have warped perceptions and as a result their emotions do not reflect material reality

the fact that someone feels a certain way does not have any bearing on what reality actually is, its wholly irrelevant to this discussion

Good night, everybody.  We've come to the point that even the word 'feel' has been twisted in this debate.

When I said, "Gender identity is the psychological gender that they feel", I mean it as a subconscious function of the psyche.

When you say, "incels feel...like all women are whores."  You are referring to a conscious belief, a presumption, conjecture, supposition....

I'm done.

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Gender identity is the psychological gender that they feel", I mean it as a subconscious function of the psyche."

and what about those who detransition and regret their transition? if its a subconscious operation that's embedded in them why are some wrong about their transition? 

furthermore if its a social construct as you have been arguing then it can't really be an embedded subconscious operation can it? because it should be in flux depending on the social pressures the person is experiencing

for clarification are you claiming this "subconscious function of the psyche" is an aspect that is there from birth and is innate and unchanging? or is it a social construct that the person develops through interacting with their environment?

"When you say, "incels feel...like all women are whores.""

its a social construct, they come to perceive reality that way because of social pressures that mould their minds leading them to a certain conclusion

and if you were actually consistent you would acknowledge that you've said the same about gender before(well you've said that its a social construct but you may disagree with how i've defined it)

"I'm done."

i would've been done when people started implying that clothing determines gender but its morbid curiosity that is driving me, i seriously want to see if i'm missing something here and this really isn't as stupid as i think it is

when the other guy from earlier in the thread criticised me for calling unicorn a gender but then basically said that gender could be infinite i had to come back and seek clarification on that because i don't understand how someone can seriously hold both beliefs in their head at the same time