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haxxiy said:
Fallawful said:

In slightly unrelated news, I am astounded by how much Avatar money made and how little pop cultural impact it had. The only time people ever speak of it is for sales numbers. It was truly just a graphics hype. I don't expect its sequels to come close to its numbers.

Is this actually true, though? Most moviegoers liked the movie. It will spawn four sequels, stage pieces, theme park attractions and shaped the movie industry for years with 3D.

I'm not sure what some folks actually expect. How often is any of the blockbuster movies of the past decade discussed? At most there'll be a Joker or LOTR meme here and there if the conversation is geekish enough... and these are from multiple-movie franchises.

Sequels have been declared but we have no idea whether they will succeed or not. The first movie was successful because of its technical achievements, which cannot be scoffed at, but it does mean that it wasn't necessarily successful due to the design, story, and quality of the movie itself. 

I wasn't referring to pop culture as online discussion necessarily; when I mean a pop cultural impact I mean references to it from other media sources as well; like shows, movies, podcasts, Late Night shows, and so on. Comedians, mainstream nerds, and others still refer to Lord of the Rings regularly; and Titanic is still referred to in shows and sketches. Beyond references in other shows, movies like Gone with the Wind are still quoted, and you can see how the mood and aesthetic of the movie influenced other movies that followed. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is, for the best-selling movie of all time, like was Gone of the Wind before it, Avatar did not influence a lot of media that came after it. It was the first to do 3D very, very well - but that is not about the artistic value of the movie itself but rather it was the first to capitalise on the advancement of technology. The story, aesthetics, atmosphere of Avatar really did not leave an impression. You can't really trace its DNA in other movies and media after it. I find this interesting because, again, its technically #1. Endgame for sure has a larger cultural impact than Avatar ever had.