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colafitte on 22 May 2019
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RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

I gave you numbers of Uncharted 4 and HZD. Did you not see how i said that U4 sold anoter 8M in 2'5 years and HZD sold anoter 3M last year?!?!?!

Do GOW, Spiderman, DG releases similar to those games you name??, OF COURSE THEY DO. ?¿?¿

LOL at this point. It matters when you are comparing numbers of course!! If one is shipped numbers and the other is sold to consumers, the first one will always have added numbers the other doesn't. Another oportunistic point of yours. If it was the opposite you would not say the same....If we were counting shipped numbers for Sony games we probably should add 1-1'5M more to each number depending on the game.

Days Gone, TLOU Part II, Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding are made to be big sellers, and maybe they launch in the next 9 months or don't, do you know for sure?. All of those games will launch before 2020 ends anyway as Sony stated. I named Dreams like i named Super Mario Maker 2. Neither of those are guarantee either. I will admit SMM2 has better chances though.

What?, that Nintendo launches a higher quantity of games?. Are we forgetting games like Concrete Genie, Medievil Remake, and all PS VR games that are going to launch this year??

At the end of the day, Nintendo could still sell better, but the point of this thread was that Sony is in a situation where they can compete to Nintendo regarding sales, and the mere fact that we are doing this right now, discussing which games will sell better or not, is proof that the original point of the OP was right.

I saw the numbers you provided and I responded by giving you the numbers for Nintendo games. 8m for Uncharted 4 in 2.5 years is worse than Mario Kart 8 Deluxe adding 6.3m in only nine months. The legs of Breath of the Wild have been better than those of Horizon Zero Dawn; not by much, but more is more.

Regarding shipped vs. sold, it's not the way you explain it. For example, nine months ago Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's shipped number included 0.5-1m copies on shelves, just as a rough estimate. Nine months later, the number of copies on shelves are in the same range because retailers are not going to hoard copies all of a sudden. So when shipped numbers of nine months ago are compared with shipped numbers of today, the difference between them is effectively sell-through.

Since this discussion has become a stalemate with no real progress, I'll try a different approach by removing the Sony vs. Nintendo context.

LTD console sales by the end of calendar year 2019 for the Xbox One and Switch will both fall into the range of 45-50m. Now imagine if someone made a thread and declared that Microsoft and Nintendo are on the same level. It probably wouldn't take long until someone pointed out that the Xbox One has been on the market for over six years while Switch has been on the market for under three years, and therefore Microsoft and Nintendo are not on the same level because the context of time has to be taken into account. It's also likely that most people would expect Switch to sell significantly more units than the XB1 lifetime, because that's what the sales rate over the years suggests.

The legs of MK8 DX are better than U4, yes. The legs of BOTW are not better than UC4 or HZD. TLOU R has the best legs of all. 12M as remaster, and 3M in the last year, even if it's a game from 2014, and a remaster of an already succesful game of 2013.

Like you said, "more is more" and if one counts shipments and the other doesn't, it's an unfair comparison. Period.

I already tell you earlier in this thread that:

2013 TLOU

2014 MK8

2014 TLOU R

2017 MK 8 DX, BOTW, HZD, SMO

2018 GOW, Spiderman, SSBU, PKMN LG

That point will be valid if GOW, HZD, Spiderman or U4 were launched 4 years before than SMO, Z BOTW or SSBU like the difference between Switch and XBO, but it's not the case.

Since May 2016 Sony has launched:

Uncharted 4 : 16M sold (probably 17M shipped)

Horizon Zero Dawn: 11M sold (probably 12M shipped)

God of War: 11M sold (probably 12M shipped)

Spider-Man: 9M sold before December, i'm pretty sure the game must be around 12M sold right now, at least (so probably around 13M shipped)

So in total: Around 50M sold probably and around 55M shipped. And if you want what games have sold since 2017, you can rest 8'7M sold to consumers and probably around 10M shipped of Uncharted 4 numbers during 2016. So around 41M sold and 45M shipped.

In the same period Nintendo has launched these new games:

Z BOTW: 12'8M shipped on Switch, probably around 1'5M more on WiiU, so let's say around 14'5M shipped

SMO: 14'4M shipped

SSBU: 13'8M shipped

PKMN LG: 10'6M shipped

In total: 53'3M shipped.

That's 4 games against 4 games. But yes, if you want to add the port that MK8 DX is, then Nintendo has the advantage with 70M shipped with one game more. You could add too games like Splatoon 2, Super Mario Party, ... and it would be fair, but then we will need to add games like GT Sport, Ratchet and Clank 2016, Uncharted The Lost Legacy, ... which we doesn't have updated numbers.

So in the end, the only real difference maker between Sony and Nintendo is Mario Kart, which i always admited is the biggest seller of both companies...by far. But that doesn't deny the point that Sony is getting closer and closer....

Last edited by colafitte - on 22 May 2019