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EricHiggin on 18 May 2019
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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

I never said the interviewer was a lefty, but the way he was questioning Ben was in opposition to him and he was acting like many of the lefties do, which would be why Ben acted and responded like he did. A conservative there is also not the same as a conservative in America either.

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You're always pointing out my devotion to the right. I wonder why people take sides when they show they aren't bound to either, yet you do everything to ignore that fact and put a label on them.

It's not easy to have a meaningful conversation with someone when they are pretending to be something they're not wouldn't you say? Just like trying to have a meaningful conversation when you're constantly being portrayed as something you're not?

I have no clue what you are, what I do know is that for you labels means everything.  Everyone is a lefty this or conservative that.  And since you chose the word Lefty all the time but denote the right as conservative, I have to wonder about your choice of words.  You may believe you are in the middle or whatever but usually people never know they show themselves the longer you converse with them.  I never called you left, right, middle conservative liberal or any such thing, instead I let you show me who you are and you have never let me down.

As for the interviewer, you didn't have to say what he was, you jumped at the chance to label him because he was giving Ben what usually Ben gives to people he consider as liberals.  You got on your high horse jumping at the chance and fell into the trap the same way Ben did.  The interviewer wasn't acting as something he was not, instead he was challenging Ben on who he is trying to portray in his book compared to the statements he has made in the past.  

Well how do we humans converse if we don't put words and meanings to anything? I could use the word liberal from now on instead of lefty, but what about the liberals or libertarians, etc, who insist they are so different that they do not wish to be clumped in with the rest who have strayed so far to the left of center? Minority rules? If you 'let me' show you who I am, and I do and never let you down apparently, then you must know what I am, otherwise your statement makes no sense. If you know what I am and say I'm always an apologist, then who is it I am always apologizing for? Didn't you start out by saying you have no clue what I am?

Didn't I already point out in the last post that I didn't describe the interviewer as a lefty? So I somehow labeled him without actually labeling him? Did I or didn't I? Do you know what I'm about or don't you? If the interviewer was acting like a typical conservative Ben wouldn't have gone on the offensive. Since you're all about past instances to prove present points, where has Ben acted in this manner towards a typical conservative before? And no, the far right doesn't count. Again, a typical UK or EU conservative is not the same thing as a typical American conservative. Chips or gift doesn't mean the same thing over there as they do in America.

Just so I'm clear here. The 'conservative' interviewer is allowed to take an opposing position to 'push Ben into a corner' and make him show his 'true colors', and that's totally legit and is what happened, with no other potential reasoning, and yet the conversation we're having right now couldn't be the same, considering my initial point favored the interviewer? How sure are you?