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EricHiggin said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Most of the time Sony has an advantage, but if you think about it carefully, then you'll see that Sony does not have the advantage this time.  Here is how it breaks down:

1) If all of the big 3 do a traditional strategy (playing it safe) then Sony wins.  This is what happened in Generation 6 and Sony had it's best performance yet.
2) If Nintendo or Microsoft try something different, but it's a bad idea, then Sony wins.  That is what has been happening in Generation 8 with the XB1 and Wii U screwing up.
3) If Nintendo does something different and it's a good idea, then Nintendo wins.  This is what happened with the Wii in Generation 7.
4) If Sony competes against Nintendo's handhelds, then Nintendo always wins.  Nintendo is undefeated in the handheld market.  They have defeated countless competitors including everything Sony has thrown out there.


This time the PS5 is competing against the Switch.  We already know that we are in situations 3 and 4.  Nintendo is trying something different and it's successful.  Also the Switch is a handheld.  But this handheld is special, because it is also a home console.  It already will get the entire handheld market, but it will also get some of the home market too.  That is the problem with Sony playing it safe.  If they do so, then Switch is just going to take all of their customers away. 

Everyone is acting like the PS5 is competing against the Wii U again.  Nope.  Switch is a much tougher competitor than the Wii U.  Switch is a high powered handheld that can also act as a home console.  Sony needs to worry that they won't get a repeat of the PSP vs DS.  The PSP was a very solid system with a lot of great games and it still lost to the weaker DS.  The same situation can very easily happen with the PS5 and Switch.

Well if MS offers an affordable next gen system and a much higher performing elite model at launch, that would be something new and different. Also, I believe Nin and Nvidia have both said they have a 10 year plan/deal, and with the Switch Mini and Switch Pro rumors, how long before Switch is no longer considered new and different? What if PS drops a Switch competitor (aside from their home console(s)) during that same old, same old Switch phase in a couple of years? What about VR?

Offering multiple SKUs of the same console is not new.  Both PS3 and Wii U did it and neither got good results from it. 

When will Switch no longer be considered new and different?  Generation 10

What about VR?  Depends on if it's bundled with the PS5 or not.  If it isn't then it won't matter.  If it is, then it will be a big mistake.

thismeintiel said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Most of the time Sony has an advantage, but if you think about it carefully, then you'll see that Sony does not have the advantage this time.  Here is how it breaks down:

1) If all of the big 3 do a traditional strategy (playing it safe) then Sony wins.  This is what happened in Generation 6 and Sony had it's best performance yet.
2) If Nintendo or Microsoft try something different, but it's a bad idea, then Sony wins.  That is what has been happening in Generation 8 with the XB1 and Wii U screwing up.
3) If Nintendo does something different and it's a good idea, then Nintendo wins.  This is what happened with the Wii in Generation 7.
4) If Sony competes against Nintendo's handhelds, then Nintendo always wins.  Nintendo is undefeated in the handheld market.  They have defeated countless competitors including everything Sony has thrown out there.


This time the PS5 is competing against the Switch.  We already know that we are in situations 3 and 4.  Nintendo is trying something different and it's successful.  Also the Switch is a handheld.  But this handheld is special, because it is also a home console.  It already will get the entire handheld market, but it will also get some of the home market too.  That is the problem with Sony playing it safe.  If they do so, then Switch is just going to take all of their customers away. 

Everyone is acting like the PS5 is competing against the Wii U again.  Nope.  Switch is a much tougher competitor than the Wii U.  Switch is a high powered handheld that can also act as a home console.  Sony needs to worry that they won't get a repeat of the PSP vs DS.  The PSP was a very solid system with a lot of great games and it still lost to the weaker DS.  The same situation can very easily happen with the PS5 and Switch.

If the Switch had little to no affect on the PS4's sales, it will continue to have little to no affect on the PS5's sales, as well.  They are selling to two different types of people, and some are buying both.  If someone had a PS4 or a XBO as their main console, they are not going to pick up a system that is weaker than those two to be their main console next gen.  They want an actual upgrade in power.  Not a downgrade that is also portable.


Apply that statement to another generation.  "If the Wii had little to no affect on the PS2's sales, it will continue to have little to no affect on the PS3's sales as well."

Obviously that statement is false.  PS2 kept selling well after the Wii and PS3 launched.  But the Wii sold like a rocket out of the gate and the PS3 sold poorly for the first couple of years.  Consoles compete against their current generation.  They don't compete against previous generations even if you can find both at the store at the same time.

Also, the weaker console usually sells the best.  Weaker means cheaper.  Most people just buy the cheaper console as long as it has plenty of games, which the Switch does.