At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

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ironmanDX said:

sundin13 said:
Your OP kind of frames the debate by using some loaded language that isn't really present in the examples. You claim that these parents are pushing their children, however in both examples you provided, it appears that the children are the ones who are being allowed to lead and express their own identities in the way they see fit. In my opinion, the only way to see such a thing as child abuse is if your own biases lead you to believe that Transgender identity is wrong in some way.

They shouldn't be allowed. It's to big a decision. It's why children don't vote... Or drive... Or in most cases, something as simple decide what the family eats with them for dinner. Because they make poor decisions. They don't have the life experience or intelligence to draw from yet.

Something so life altering should wait until adulthood when they can make informed decisions. Making decisions on feelings alone is foolish.

Charlize Theron is being dumb obviously.  I don't think it equates to you have to be a fully developed adult to transition. 

First of all after finishing puberty your bone structure is very much developed to the gender, or more to the point females further refine to female and males shift to male away from their more feminine body origins (this is not about male/female mentality, just body/bone structure).

Second min age to drive in the states is 16 year old.  In Alaska a 14 can get their entry license.  It's not to far a stretch to say that teens after years of evaluation and second opinions from professionals (not TV/Radio hack Dr.s) can make a decisions.  Below is good window into the process:

"When an individual is transitioning from female to male (FTM) or male to female (MTF), there are several avenues^[24] that are available to them pendant upon their financial capabilities, insurance's agreement to cover costs, and personal desire to utilize these options. While these options do exist, many of them are labeled off limits to minors (individuals under the age of 18). One of the options that does exist for minors is the use of puberty blockers, which in 2013 were officially stated as not damaging to bone health at the Endocrine Society's 95 Annual Meeting in San Francisco.^[25] In puberty, the mass of bones is built significantly, so this finding holds great importance in allowing transgender youth to keep from undergoing the psychological damage that may accompany their bodies going through a puberty that is not consistent with their gender identity. Puberty blockers are believed to put the succession of puberty on pause and can reverse any changes that had been made. Typically puberty blockers, which are reversible are first administered between the ages of 12–14 years of age, this is the age block because 16 years of age is believed to be too late.^[25] For youth in Dutch nations, transgender youth are allowed to begin cross sex hormones at age 16, following their course of puberty blockers, allowing for successful transitions.^[25] Medical interventions in the form of hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery (SRS) are justified in the case of harm reduction for prepubescent children with severe gender dysphoria, since both can prevent severe psychological suffering.^[26]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_youth#Existing_healthcare_options

Reducing this down to 'feelings' alone is imo way too reductionist.