At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

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sundin13 said:

eva01beserk said:

And somebody showed you research that transitioning does not fix the underline issue and trans are still just as unhappy and is the main reason for the high suicide rate. So its still much higher than the peers who have not had any issues.

I don't believe such research was posted, however, there is research which looks into how transitioning affects transgendered individuals.

Lets take a look:

Hormonal therapy and sex reassignment: a systematic review and meta‐analysis of quality of life and psychosocial outcomes "Pooling across studies shows that after sex reassignment, 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in gender dysphoria [and] 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in quality of life [and] 78% reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms" "When measured by the Utrecht Gender Dysphoria Scale (UGDS/UGS), FM and MF individuals had minimal gender dysphoria remaining after transition, which was comparable to gender concordant controls without GID and better than dysphoria in untreated individuals with GID. They reported good satisfaction with the new assigned sex, physical appearance, had no doubts about their new gender role or their ability about maintaining this role in the future. Satisfaction with primary and secondary sex characteristics was significantly higher when pre- and posttransition therapy data were compared." "In most of the included studies, at least two thirds of individuals with GID reported improvement in some aspects of their quality of life such as more stable relationships, better adjustment, satisfaction with sex reassignment, and overall happiness and contentness. In a study by Rehman et al., 27/28 MF individuals reported life becoming easier and more comfortable posttransition."

Young Adult Psychological Outcome After Puberty Suppression and Gender Reassignment "After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being." "Psychological functioning improved steadily over time, resulting in rates of clinical problems that are indistinguishable from general population samples (eg, percent in the clinical range dropped from 30% to 7% on the YSR/ASR) and quality of life, satisfaction with life, and subjective happiness comparable to same-age peers."

Is hormonal therapy associated with better quality of life in transsexuals? A cross-sectional study. "Hormonal therapy was significantly associated with higher scores on the social, emotional, and mental QoL dimensions (SF, RE, MH, and MCS). Hormonal transsexuals presented significantly higher scores on the MH (79.4 16.1 vs. 73.4 2.6, P = 0.02) and GH (79.4 16.1 vs. 69.5 2.3, P = 0.001) dimensions, whereas nonhormonal transsexuals reported lower scores than controls on the RE dimension (54.9 40.7 vs. 86.2 4.1, P = 0.01). … Another important finding is the disparity between the nonhormonal and the hormonal transsexuals, as hormonal therapy is associated with higher scores of general and MH, whereas the absence of hormones is associated with lower scores of the RE subscale. These results underline the suffering of nonhormonal transsexuals and the probable favorable evolution of their QoL with hormonal therapy in a sex reassignment procedure. Our results suggest the positive psychological effects of hormonal therapy rarely identified in previous reports [2,4]. It seems to suggest that treatment with hormones allows individuals to feel as good or better than controls."

Long-term follow-up: psychosocial outcome of Belgian transsexuals after sex reassignment surgery In transgendered individuals who underwent sex reassignment surgery "the suicide attempt-rate dropped significantly from 29.3% to 5.1%"

Overall, while general QOL of transgendered individuals tends to be lower than non-transgendered individuals, transitioning to preferred gender does improve QOL for most individuals. Further, transitioning during adolescence is associated with better outcomes than transitioning as an adult. However, all of this needs to be evaluated within the context of societal mistreatment of transgendered individuals. While transitioning does tend to reduce gender dysphoria (the thing that it tends to be considered a treatment for) and improve many measures of QOL, transitioning also comes with societal pressures. We know from a great body of research on suicide that "peer, school, community, and family based rejection, discrimination, and victimization are associated with greater risk for suicidal behaviors".

As such, we should acknowledge that transitioning is an effective method of treating gender dysphoria, however we should also acknowledge that we need to do better as a society at how we treat these individuals if we are truly concerned about their health. Telling these individuals that they cannot or should not undergo treatment (or telling them that their identity is not valid) because of the suicide rate is simply telling them to continue to suffer because we as a society just can't help ourselves from mistreating a trans person. Personally, I do not find that to be a compelling argument against the medical viability of transitioning and I find it to be a major condemnation of the concern trolls who say that we shouldn't allow transgendered people to be treated because of the suicide rates.

Note: Not all of this post is meant as a direct response to you.

When talking about reassignment are you talking about surgery or just hormonal treatment? Only thing I see as diferent is that surgery is expensive so it will tend to be and older person with means to do it, so they might have more sense in what they are doing. Wich brings me to the underline point. We are talking about children here. Some as young as 3. I know nobody here is claiming to give hormones to a todler. But I do belive molding a kid into a diferent mindset cuz it sait something while barely talking is worst.

And at bold. This is what I mean. I mentioned before that oversensitiveness is  major issue because people havent been told no. People call victimization or hate by somebody disagree. Bullies where wort before. I remember being beating for no reason as a kid. Now saying man arent women sends some kids to the psychologist. People should not live in bubles. QoL also does not mean much these days as not having the latest iphones also sends some into depression.