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starcraft said:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't create this ridiculous graphic. It remains unclear how much training each of Luke and Rey received, but empirically the evidence we have suggests Rey received more instruction from Luke than Luke received from Yoda. Yoda himself appeared to state that Rey's training was sufficient. Rey's knowledge, thus far, of mind probing and telekinesis pale's in comparison to Luke's in RotJ. She successfully tricked one stormtropper after initially failing. Luke was capable of mind tricking anyone except a Hutt or another force wielder. Rey proved incapable of easily repelling the dark side in the cave, her initial efforts to adopt telekinesis failed, she was manipulated easily and obviously by Snoke at great distances. Indeed, only Kylo demonstrated any ability to deceive or defeat Snoke. Rey was left alone as a child on a desert planet full of slavers. She survived as an athletic scavenger as a lone, young girl in that environment. If 'competent pilot from flying and and shooting his T-16 counts' then Rey's experiences should too. We have no knowledge of whether she'd flown previously, but its strongly suggested she had. As a force user, she picked up the quirks of the Falcon quickly, like every other jedi in the Galaxy. TL:DR This totallist argument that Rey is a Mary Sue, somehow distinct from Luke, requires lists like the above to be reasonable. Clearly they can be picked apart ad nausuem. One reason so much of this hate seems to be motivated by something other than a genuine attempt to engage with the franchise is this clear refusal to acknowledge any information that conflicts with a pre-determined view of Disney's Star Wars films. Don't like the latest movies? Thats your right. By the only two metrics available to us (reviews and box office receipts), you're in a very loud, small minority. |
"It remains unclear how much training each of Luke and Rey received, but empirically the evidence we have suggests Rey received more instruction from Luke than Luke received from Yoda. Yoda himself appeared to state that Rey's training was sufficient."
>What evidence do we have?
"Rey's knowledge, thus far, of mind probing and telekinesis pale's in comparison to Luke's in RotJ. She successfully tricked one stormtropper after initially failing. Luke was capable of mind tricking anyone except a Hutt or another force wielder."
>Luke's mind probing happened in episode six, his third movie. Rey's mind probing happened in episode seven, her first movie.
See how they're not comparable? Rey's awfully quick.
"Rey proved incapable of easily repelling the dark side in the cave, her initial efforts to adopt telekinesis failed, she was manipulated easily and obviously by Snoke at great distances. Indeed, only Kylo demonstrated any ability to deceive or defeat Snoke."
>She's not as bad in TLJ as she is in TFA, I'll give her that.
"Rey was left alone as a child on a desert planet full of slavers. She survived as an athletic scavenger as a lone, young girl in that environment. If 'competent pilot from flying and and shooting his T-16 counts' then Rey's experiences should too. We have no knowledge of whether she'd flown previously, but its strongly suggested she had. As a force user, she picked up the quirks of the Falcon quickly, like every other jedi in the Galaxy."
>These explanations are nice and all but at the end of the day, she's still hyper-competent to the detriment of the film's tension or sense of danger. I'm trying to recall any instance in TFA wherein she was saved by someone else and I cannot come up with anything. Luke needed other people to come to his aid in his first movie, Rey saves herself in her first film.
TL:DR This totallist argument that Rey is a Mary Sue, somehow distinct from Luke, requires lists like the above to be reasonable. Clearly they can be picked apart ad nausuem. One reason so much of this hate seems to be motivated by something other than a genuine attempt to engage with the franchise is this clear refusal to acknowledge any information that conflicts with a pre-determined view of Disney's Star Wars films.
Don't like the latest movies? Thats your right. By the only two metrics available to us (reviews and box office receipts), you're in a very loud, small minority."
User reviews don't seem to look kindly to TLJ. Over half of 200k ratings disliked TLJ.
And a ticket purchase doesn't mean someone liked the film. Plenty of YouTube videos with people who paid to see the films hating on the new films.
