Brexit

[Bofferbrauer2]

Pyro as Bill said:

vivster said:

...all current polls show that the majority now wants to stay.

So, the same as every poll (telephone) in the week leading up to the referendum then? The 'poll of polls' never once had Leave winning even when adjusted for those likely to vote.

The most recent poll I saw had it 55-45 in favour of Remain. That's the same as the Populus poll done the day before the referendum.

As long as our treasonous politicians don't remove the World Trade Brexit option from the next referendum, Leave will win again.

That wasn't nearly as clear cut as you make it out to be. In fact, in most polls leading up to the vote, leave was going to win and not, like you state, never did so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#2016

As you can see, there's more on the leave side than on the remain side. The last week was dominated from the murder of a remain MP (I think it was an MP, correct if I'm wrong on it), which let it seem to swing back at the last second on the polls.

Now however?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Remain/Leave

Leave is getting soundly beaten and the last poll where leave was in front is from March 2018, so over a year old though they managed to get equal shares at times since. It's even worse if you ask a 3-way question between remaining, leaving with a deal, or leaving without a deal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Three-option_referendum

remain wins every single vote there by a landslide. Especially young voters (18-24 years old) votes only up to 19% for leave, less than even those without an opinion. I do wish they had continued the question after January though, as leaving with and without a deal, taken together, had a major surge at the end, it would be interesting if that all continued or got killed with Mays deal.

fatslob-:O said:

vivster said:

The thing you're talking about is the exact reason why a direct Democracy is an inherently bad thing. I mean Democracy to begin with is just a flimsy compromise but a direct democracy is just a pure clusterfuck. That's why we have a representative democracy so that elected officials have a bit of wiggle room against moronic voters. And apparently the voters are moronic because all current polls show that the majority now wants to stay. That's why you don't let the masses decide policy directly. The vote should've never been anything binding to begin with, let alone using simple majority.

The fighting we have currently going on between the elected officials is exactly working as designed. It's not a great system but it's better than a direct democracy.

If you're own nation isn't prepared to 'share' power in a real democracy whether that's either direct or representative then do your own nation a favour and don't proclaim it to be democratic since otherwise they're no better than regimes like North Korea which hosts their own 'elections'. It's also these very same representatives that decided THEMSELVES to sanction the referendum itself in the first place that these so called 'moronic' voters participated in ... 

Polls do NOT serve as a justification for reneging an actual democratic mandate ... 

@Bold Oh really ? So you're arguing that the Scottish independence vote SHOULDN'T have been binding with a simple majority as well ? In the future, if Northern Ireland ever decides to hold a vote on reunification and it came out positive does that mean that you would insist on reneging that result as well along with breaking the provision within the Good Friday Agreement as well ?! 

I actually believe that such a vote should have an absolute majority (=2/3 majority). It is a big vote with very far-reaching consequences after all.

However, since Brexit was binding with a simple majority, I don't see why Scottish and Northern Ireland independence votes should be treated differently. Since Brexit got through with a simple majority, so should they now.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 12 April 2019