| Bofferbrauer2 said: It's more like a quarter (and growing) are remainers, half of the PM are okay to leave, but not without a deal, and the final quarter just want to leave. But they can't find a viable deal, which grinds everything to a halt. |
What on fucking earth makes you think that only a quarter of the MPs are remainers ? At least 40% of them are bitter as shit remainers still trying to weasel their out of the real democratic mandate but now we have Theresa May (beg) trying to force EP elections down her very own voters throats most of which are no dealers ...
| Bofferbrauer2 said:
May's deal is about the best they could get, but it got shot down by everyone |
No, what's clearly best is that the conservative party needs to be buried along with Thatcher's rotten ass legacy because their god damned purpose has been out served already. It should be the ERG's duty punish leadership who promised to end freedom of movement and leave the customs union as well by splitting the whole party apart and taking the entire grassroots with them as well. In fact the ERG should do to the Conservatives what the Conservatives did to the Lib Dems and that is by making them irrelevant forever in mainstream politics because as of late recently for their leaders duplicity (Cameron/May) ... 
There's clearly more important domestic matters to achieve than brexit and it means a long overdue political alignment ... (the salty tory remainer MPs have FAR more in common with the Lib Dems than they do with the rest of the party)
| Bofferbrauer2 said:
Oh, and it's the ERG that holds everyone hostage, not the remainers. After all, at this rate No-Deal is getting more and more likely simply because they refuse pretty much any kind of agreement, and the clock is ticking. But only a small part of the population is okay with No-deal, it's just bigger than the part who agree to May's deal: https://www.ft.com/content/83d2880a-4bef-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc62 |
For once, the vast majority of the ERG along with the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson (Jo, who's his brother went the other way) voted for the deal so let's stop pinning the blame on them when most of them are eager enough to put the backstop behind them so they ain't taking anything hostage for shit and in fact are very much the hostages themselves in this case ...
And no, no-deal is not getting more likely because parliament is full of remainers everywhere holding the leave voters ransom and Macron caved in like a little bitch to the rest of the EU despite all of his constant huffing and puffing LEL ... 
| Bofferbrauer2 said:
*snip* As you can see, half of the people consider No-Deal a bad outcome, and only a fifth think it would be good. And like the Parliament, the Brits in general seem to know what they don't want, but can't make up their mind on what they want in the end. And the end result of this will be No deal of there's no solution to be found. |
Did the sample include remain voters ? If so then it's mostly bunk as anyone can see since they were on the losing side and exactly how much value do you think this poll has when everything including a second referendum ending with a "remain" result is still somehow regarded as a bad outcome ?
If I see the UK participating in the EU elections, I think it's probably for the best that the ERG along with other brexiteers dissociate themselves with the Conservatives and start painting their own former party as an afront to democracy because that path is arguably a better ...
Don't worry about no deal happening because it's clearly NOT going to happen since May/MPs/EU will not ever countenance the idea of a no deal and are only interested in kicking the can as long as they all want. There's no political will from any side to deliver brexit but there's clearly tons (over 400 MPs, PM, and majority of EU council) of political will to have these extensions instead. Unless the UK becomes a hot potato and insists on being obstructionist as said by Jacob Rees-Mogg or the ERG/UKIP/brexit group take matters into their own hands to dominate parliament then the threats of a no deal aren't going to be taken very seriously (take this from a fairly hardcore centre nationalist)
