Animal Liberation Now!!

[DonFerrari]

MrWayne said:

DonFerrari said:

That is good.

But the big problem on the argumentation that "if people had to kill what they are going to eat they wouldn't eat meat" or variations of that is that they ignore that for thousands of years that was exactly what human have been doing. They just eat less meat because it was more complicated to find the food and to keep it good for consumption (so certainly would have a lot of sharing when finding a hog or killing a cow).

Still today many people in many countries still kill what they eat (considering how big china and India is and how many undeveloped area are in the world it's possible that even today more than 50% of the world population have had to kill some animal to eat or do it routinely).

And in truth only people with good income and no worries about being famine reserve any time to think about "poor animals dying to feed us".

I think the argument gets better if we slightly modify it. "if people had to kill and manufacture what they are going to eat they would eat way less meat"

Eating meat on a daily basis is a relatively new phenomenon made possible by the industrial revolution. If everyone had to kill and manufacture their own meat we would do it in a way less efficient way than we do it right now wich would lead to higher prices for meat. Higher prices for meat leads to less meat consumption.

Yes that is true, but have nothing to do with the point vegan try to make on people not eating meat because of having to kill related to moral or ethics. They would just eat less because of cost and efficiency.

People also had less clothing and tools when they had to make it themselves or buy from people that hand made it.

Immersiveunreality said:

DonFerrari said:

That is good.

But the big problem on the argumentation that "if people had to kill what they are going to eat they wouldn't eat meat" or variations of that is that they ignore that for thousands of years that was exactly what human have been doing. They just eat less meat because it was more complicated to find the food and to keep it good for consumption (so certainly would have a lot of sharing when finding a hog or killing a cow).

Still today many people in many countries still kill what they eat (considering how big china and India is and how many undeveloped area are in the world it's possible that even today more than 50% of the world population have had to kill some animal to eat or do it routinely).

And in truth only people with good income and no worries about being famine reserve any time to think about "poor animals dying to feed us".

A good amount of people would possibly eat less meat and have more respect for what is killed and a small fraction might stop eating meat when they have enough other resources available(healthy nonmeat food,good sources of protein and money)

But yes humanity as a whole is not ready to just stop eating meat and it might be better to focus on the general happiness and fast and painless killing of the animals till we come closer to be able of putting up meat eating restrictions without risking the health of people that just can not afford the vegan diet that is currently a luxury diet.

So yes i agree with your post.

People would eat less just because it would take more work to do it.

People in cities would also eat less meat if they had less available income so let's reduce wages? People would use less technology and be happier on nature with less internet so let's ban internet outside of 5pm to 8pm. Human would use less clothing if they had to make it themselves.

It is almost a logical fallacy that human would eat less meat when having to kill the animal in any way isn't just because it is unpractical. It have nothing to do with moral or ethics on the less consumption.

Immersiveunreality said:

Darwinianevolution said:

Then the problem is the laws that regulate animal treatment, not people's diets, wouldn't it?. In recent years there have been appearing a lot of laws that protect the integrity and well being of both cattle and wild animals, but wouldn't the sudden stop of meat consumption just mean the general sacrifice of livestock to adjust the numbers? It's like some variants of donkey in many parts of Spain, people started using them less and less due to mechanization and modern agricultural techniques, and rather than granting donkeys a more comfortable life, they are becoming extinct in some areas, because they are of no use anymore.

First bolded:Yes indeed our open market does not care(not enough) about the treatment of animals when it laws for that product change for every country that participates in the trade,money above morals and we should be glad that we are at the top of the foodchain.

Second bolded:"comfortable" life is questionable for all the hard work they had to endure and being forced to endure even when being old and sick and is becoming extinct that bad if it erases suffering?Caring about species that go extinct because they do not have a natural place anymore really borders to human control.

A lot of people suffer a lot in the world but won't suicide. So arguibly most prefer to live in suffering or even just survive than to die.

irstupid said:
Isn't there a lot of social media people like on youtube that had sites dedicated to vegan diets all quiting recently because they are running into huge health problems and have needed to start adding stuff like fish and eggs and stuff to their diets?

Some lie and hide that they do it.