Active shooter situation reported in Christchurch, New Zealand

[Eagle367]

o_O.Q said:

Eagle367 said:

I didn't even mention the Qur'an but you have to know the entire context of things in the Qur'an, not the isolated verses you pull out. Each verse has a history and a story behind it. The words in Arabic mean various things and people write huge articles per verse to describe everything after attaining years of knowledge about the Qur'an, Arabic, islamic history and hadith that are valid and provide more meat to the sketch;Eton of the verse.

Regarding equal but not the same, do men have periods? Do men breast feed? Do women have a penis and balls? Are men biologically stronger or women? Is the physiology, anatomy and psychology of men and women the same? The equal but different thing applies to all humans by the way, not just between men and women. 

Going back to the verses of the Qur'an;an, what you understand from it and what it is are 2 very different things. People with hate in their hearts look for hate everywhere and that's what terrorist scum do. People with malice in their hearts look for malice. That's why scholars trained for years to look at things analytically and not emotionally are valued and should be valued and should be listened to. 

"I didn't even mention the Qur'an but you have to know the entire context of things in the Qur'an, not the isolated verses you pull out."

fair enough, but come on you have to admit that this is problematic

Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).

Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.

Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]" 

Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it"

Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

etc etc etc

 

"Regarding equal but not the same, do men have periods? Do men breast feed? Do women have a penis and balls? Are men biologically stronger or women? Is the physiology, anatomy and psychology of men and women the same?"

the law in many western countries disregards all of that, since it is now law that a man at any point can identify as a woman and a woman at anytime can identify as a man

to people on the vanguard of the progressive movement your comments were highly transphobic

Regarding the Qur'anic verses, as I 've said before you can't pick  verses in isolation. There is an early verse in the Qur'an forbidding drinking while praying and  a later verse banning drinking altogtalto and a reason why It is made to be so. So at one point in early Islam, Muslims were allowed to drink except in prayer. Now they are not but if you specifically look for the earlier verse, isolate it and present it to me saying see Muslims can drink, that would be misleading. That is why there is fiqh and jurisprudence in Islam to discuss and solve issues regarding the law through knowledge and interpretation of the Qur'an and the sahih hadith and what are the sahih hadith. I'm sadlt no expert but I can consult one and get back to you regarding those verses at a later time. You are also reading an interpretation aka a translation of the Qur'an, not the actual book which is in Arabic and translations can change meanings. So blanket quoting the Qur'an is as bad as people saying context doesn't matter like in the case of comedians like the one from Britain who was punished. 

 

And no disrespect to the trans community, but when I say man or woman regarding law in Islam, I'm talking sex not gender. So if you have all the organs of a female human, you are a woman and if you have all the organs of a male human, you are a woman. If you have a sex change operation, you're the opposite sex now. Unlike the discussion on gender, sex is rigid, unchanging and has only 3 options. It is physically visible to anyone and immediately obvious. Just as your doctor will not look at your gender but your sex with regards to illnesses specific to your sex, I'm talking about men and women in that manner. I would hope no one is iffendof by biology.