Active shooter situation reported in Christchurch, New Zealand

[HylianSwordsman]

o_O.Q said:

HylianSwordsman said:

"I could say the similar things about conservative Christians and their regressive views on women, but I don't. For a long time, the country was majority conservative Christian, only recently have they lost enough ground to progressive Christianity and atheism"

good so why are you in favour of islam's growing influence?

I'm not.

progressive christianity? that should be interesting, explain that one

Episcopalian and the like. The ones that allow gay marriage, encourage immigration and try to house refugees.

"I never at any point said they should leave the country or that we should kill them"

and you think this is candace owen's intent? in the tweet you quoted did she imply that muslims should be killed or forced to leave the country?

I can't prove it was her intent, no. I think, as you do, that she wants it not to spread, and that the tweet seemed to imply that somehow an army would somehow deal with the problem of falling birth rates, and thereby the spread of Islam.

"It's the regressive views that need to be combated in whatever form they take, not the people that hold them."

regressive views on women are integral to many religions and islam is definitely one of them in my opinion

no one is saying that these people are a problem, the stated problem is their ideology

Nah, they're not integral. A lot of the regressive views are cultural, not ideological. Most religions boil down to "Don't be a dick."

" Remember when Clinton called a whole bunch of people "deplorable"?"

i'm not a republican or a conservative so i don't see why you would look for a specific example you think i agree with and no if its her opinion that certain people are deplorable then its good that she said it if she can justify her argument

 Oh don't pretend you don't remember that. It was all over the news. Long story short, it was based on them supporting Trump, with the suggestion that literally half of his supporters were white supremacists. She didn't outright say it, but it was implied. Kind of like Candace's thing, implying that the presence of Muslims is bad without outright saying so. 

we would both agree that rapists are deplorable right? why?

Pfft. This is either a rhetorical question, or a waste of time to discuss.

"or treat them like their very presence might be a problem like in Candace's case."

as i've said previously,, if those people have regressive views on women, I can understand why candace as a woman would be concerned about their influence growing... i suppose what is interesting is that you don't think her concern is justified

As I've said previously, the people aren't the problem, but she's making them the problem rather than their values, which is what should actually be attacked.

" it's how she expresses it and what her solutions are for dealing with it."

as i've said before if you aren't able to realise that she wasn't being literally when she said an army should be built then you need to step away from the internet for a bit

You keep focusing on me and what I think. I only brought any of this up because the shooter seems to think that. He DEFINITELY should step away from the internet.

ok lets follow this thread of though, are you seriously telling me that candace thinks that the military of france is going to take strategic advice from a 30 year old political commentator? sounds absolutely ridiculous right? so why are you pretending that this is the case?

Nope. Not pretending it either.

" You said it yourself, it doesn't make sense. Armies don't fix birth rates."

exactly she said it tongue in cheek, when you have conversations with people are you always this oblivious to communication that's not overt? i'd hope not

It's a short little tweet, people try to say more with the few characters they have, and people take a lot from them all the time. Never said I did, but the shooter did. I didn't have the conversation, like I said, I just found her when I googled her to help you.

"He got his conclusion from Candace's statement"

the man that assaulted the woman was inspired to do so by seeing the woman... you see how that works?

you aren't looking at the fact that the person is crazy and the sole blame for their actions lies on them, instead you have to look for someone else to drag into it even though you cannot logically link candace's statements to the crime

No I agree with you. Always did. Candace isn't at fault.

"Well that's because it's not the demographics that are the issue. It's the values system. "

value systems increase or decrease proportionally with the populations that they live in

Not if you can change the population's mind.

" They teach women to expect a man to be rich and able to completely provide for them, and to date based on that, instead of love. "

the preference of women for men who hold more resources is almost universal and is seen across just about every value system and its almost universal in the animal kingdom as well... so you're barking up the wrong tree there

You obviously aren't aware how much of a problem it is in Japan.

"there have to be overarching values that we cherish across all the cultures. Those overarching values often inform the future direction of the multiple cultures living within the society. So for America, we value life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness."

islam as a religion is not compatible with liberty and the pursuit of happiness for women, so again where are you going with this? ( i could be wrong on the views of islam on women but from eveerything i've experienced i don't think so )

Religion changes. It isn't just the fundamentalist interpretation of its holy book. You can interpret it multiple ways. Call such people hypocrites if you like. There are movements within Islam towards respect for women and respect for other religions. Such movements made great strides in Christianity, and we're starting to see it happen with Islam. Give it time. Religion is alive in the people that follow it. It isn't ever just a holy book.

"They maintained their cultural identity, but evolved towards the greater American culture of liberty and justice for all, with all of us equal"

you are contradicting yourself, how can a cultural identify partially based on suppressing women result in everyone being equal?

Nope. We don't always live up to our values perfectly, but we value them, that's why they're called values. We work towards them, no one perfectly lives up to their values.

"It's the power of our democracy. "

american is not a democracy and you better pray it never becomes that

Lol, I definitely want it to become more democratic. I recognize it's not a direct democracy, but I would love for it to be.

"My initial quoting of that tweet was because you asked for an example of Candace Owens talking about Muslims"

you were supposed to provide an example of rhetoric that could logically be used as motivation for this shooting

Ah sorry, I missed the "logically" part. Still, the shooter is crazed, so he doesn't need a logical connection, just a way to make absurd, illogical leaps to what he wants to do. Like I said, though, I don't blame Candace. I think you're mistaking me for someone else.