Active shooter situation reported in Christchurch, New Zealand

[Eagle367]

o_O.Q said:

Eagle367 said:

I can;t go over the long waffling you guys have been having but I can say your view on Islam and women is wrong. Islam respects women in high regard, and says men and women are equal but not the same. The stuff you see are you confusing culture with religion. The culture of Saudi Arabia is disgusting in regards to women. That is the distinction. Islamic history is filled with strong, noble women from it's inception up to today and if Islam prevailed over culture in the nudrmi East and South Asia, the image you'd see would be very different. There are problems with Muslims and how we treat women but we are failing our religion rather than following it. Our views and treatment of women is only one example of that. Salafism came to be in the 18th and 19th century and has twisted what Islam is into a hideous repulsive thing. If you go back to traditional Islam and our values, you'll see the difference of Islam and the culture of the different muslim communities. You can also see that in the way the canadian Muslim community conducts itself for example. The culture of Canada stimulates us to be better Muslims Vs the culture of pakistan for example.

so you're telling me that i can't take the koran and pull out verses calling for the subjugation of women?

" says men and women are equal but not the same"

what do you mean by not the same?

I didn't even mention the Qur'an but you have to know the entire context of things in the Qur'an, not the isolated verses you pull out. Each verse has a history and a story behind it. The words in Arabic mean various things and people write huge articles per verse to describe everything after attaining years of knowledge about the Qur'an, Arabic, islamic history and hadith that are valid and provide more meat to the sketch;Eton of the verse.

Regarding equal but not the same, do men have periods? Do men breast feed? Do women have a penis and balls? Are men biologically stronger or women? Is the physiology, anatomy and psychology of men and women the same? The equal but different thing applies to all humans by the way, not just between men and women. 

Going back to the verses of the Qur'an;an, what you understand from it and what it is are 2 very different things. People with hate in their hearts look for hate everywhere and that's what terrorist scum do. People with malice in their hearts look for malice. That's why scholars trained for years to look at things analytically and not emotionally are valued and should be valued and should be listened to.