o_O.Q said:
"I could say the similar things about conservative Christians and their regressive views on women, but I don't. For a long time, the country was majority conservative Christian, only recently have they lost enough ground to progressive Christianity and atheism"
good so why are you in favour of islam's growing influence?
progressive christianity? that should be interesting, explain that one
"I never at any point said they should leave the country or that we should kill them"
and you think this is candace owen's intent? in the tweet you quoted did she imply that muslims should be killed or forced to leave the country?
"It's the regressive views that need to be combated in whatever form they take, not the people that hold them."
regressive views on women are integral to many religions and islam is definitely one of them in my opinion
no one is saying that these people are a problem, the stated problem is their ideology
" Remember when Clinton called a whole bunch of people "deplorable"?"
i'm not a republican or a conservative so i don't see why you would look for a specific example you think i agree with and no if its her opinion that certain people are deplorable then its good that she said it if she can justify her argument
we would both agree that rapists are deplorable right? why?
"or treat them like their very presence might be a problem like in Candace's case."
as i've said previously,, if those people have regressive views on women, I can understand why candace as a woman would be concerned about their influence growing... i suppose what is interesting is that you don't think her concern is justified
" it's how she expresses it and what her solutions are for dealing with it."
as i've said before if you aren't able to realise that she wasn't being literally when she said an army should be built then you need to step away from the internet for a bit
ok lets follow this thread of though, are you seriously telling me that candace thinks that the military of france is going to take strategic advice from a 30 year old political commentator? sounds absolutely ridiculous right? so why are you pretending that this is the case?
" You said it yourself, it doesn't make sense. Armies don't fix birth rates."
exactly she said it tongue in cheek, when you have conversations with people are you always this oblivious to communication that's not overt? i'd hope not
"He got his conclusion from Candace's statement"
the man that assaulted the woman was inspired to do so by seeing the woman... you see how that works?
you aren't looking at the fact that the person is crazy and the sole blame for their actions lies on them, instead you have to look for someone else to drag into it even though you cannot logically link candace's statements to the crime
"Well that's because it's not the demographics that are the issue. It's the values system. "
value systems increase or decrease proportionally with the populations that they live in
" They teach women to expect a man to be rich and able to completely provide for them, and to date based on that, instead of love. "
the preference of women for men who hold more resources is almost universal and is seen across just about every value system and its almost universal in the animal kingdom as well... so you're barking up the wrong tree there
"there have to be overarching values that we cherish across all the cultures. Those overarching values often inform the future direction of the multiple cultures living within the society. So for America, we value life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness."
islam as a religion is not compatible with liberty and the pursuit of happiness for women, so again where are you going with this? ( i could be wrong on the views of islam on women but from eveerything i've experienced i don't think so )
"They maintained their cultural identity, but evolved towards the greater American culture of liberty and justice for all, with all of us equal"
you are contradicting yourself, how can a cultural identify partially based on suppressing women result in everyone being equal?
"It's the power of our democracy. "
american is not a democracy and you better pray it never becomes that
"My initial quoting of that tweet was because you asked for an example of Candace Owens talking about Muslims"
you were supposed to provide an example of rhetoric that could logically be used as motivation for this shooting
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