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KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

You have some strange friends if you think your average joe cares what operating system their TV runs.

If you want to argue with a straight face that Sony adopting Android OS onto their phones instead of whatever OS they were running before that that was getting completely and utterly shredded by Android and iOS actually hurt Sony's phone sales rather than sticking with whatever they had or putting on their own new, OS and trying to go toe-to-toe with google and apple in the cell phone, well.... you're entitled to think that, I guess, but that's about as polite as I can be.

Ohh, and Sony never "killed off the Vita to focus on Xperia". The Vita was still born. They just accepted its death and moved on.

Ohh you think you're going to be able to play Madden 20 or GTA 6 on a tablet or directly off a smart TV and get an experience that's close enough? That's cute. You think that streaming is going to be good enough to compete with dedicated hardware directly? That's cute too. You think that people are going to spend $60 to play Madden on their iPad? That's just plain adorable. None of those devices are going to offer the same or even a "good enough" experience to a PS5 or Xbox Two. You're going to be in for a rude awakening when in 5-6 years time these two consoles have a combined 120+ million in sales and people are still using the phones and tablets to play Angry Birds or whatever generic free mobile game is popular then. You must be REALLY confused how Nintendo has sold 30+ million Switches in less than 2 years. Shouldn't Apple and Google be eating Nintendo's dinner at the "portable gaming space" by your metrics?

Do you know the average Joe?

I very rarely meet anyone regardless of if they are a child, middle age, or elderly that does not know what device or OS they are using to get content to their TV. Name an OS that can be used either on a TV, Set Top Box, Streaming Stick, Console, or PC, and I can tell you numerous people that are die hards for it. Obviously not everyone cares, but you would be surprised who does, and even more surprised how important it is to them.

Laugh all you want about what kind of experience you think are coming to these devices, just remember progress is real, and a lot changes over time.

Where you get the idea I think people are going to pay $60 to play a game exclusively on their tablet I haven't a clue. It is not even remotely what I am claiming, or what companies are even talking about. The idea is that people pay $60 per game, or $10 -$20 a month for a library of games, and they will have access to that game on every device they own. That is where Sony is going to get hit hard if they don't stay competitive. If $60 on a game in the PlayStation Ecosystem gets you the rights to play a game on exclusively PS5, while $60 on Microsoft, Google, or Apple, gets you the rights to play the game on your PC, TV, Set Top Box, Console, Tablet, Phone, and Handheld, then Sony is going to be an obvious rip off. As far as we know right now, that is exactly the direction Microsoft and Google are going, and unless Sony has something up their sleeve, PlayStation games will be PS5 only.

I don't know why I would be surprised with the Switch's sales, they are selling a device that replaces both their Home and Mobile offerings. Nintendo has almost exclusively sold devices on 3rd party content for 20+ years. I would be more shocked if a Nintendo handheld/Console Hybrid with the entire Nintendo library was a failure. Thinking that the Switch would be a failure would completely contradict my theory that an Xbox or PlayStation Phone would be a viable device within the Windows and PlayStation Ecosystems.

At the end of the day, I hope you are right. I hope that PlayStation succeeds, and doesn't get wiped away by complacency. PlayStation has been the Home of 99% of my digital experiences since I was 9 years old. Things just don't look all that rosy right now.

Maybe it's because you live inear Seattle, which you know, was Silicon Valley before Silicon Valley was a thing, and is still a giant tech hub.  I bet the average person's tech literacy there is signifcantly higher than most anywhere else in the country or probably the world.

Do I know the average joe? I like to think I do. Most of my friends, families, peers, etc are not tech enthusiasts. They barely know what an HDMI cord is. Most of my kid's friend's moms (and you're talking about university graduate late 20's/early 30's women) refer to all game consoles as "Nintendos". They couldn't give less of a shit what operating system of their tv is because most of them don't even realize that the menus that allow them to watch netflix using their TV remote control is "an operating system". I don't know anyone who has a solar panel installed on their room. I don't know anyone that owns an electric car. Your average joe is very tech illiterate. If you don't believe me, just go to an apple store and listen in to someone giving a tutorial on how to do basic functions on their shiny new iPhone. They offer those classes because a significant portion of the population doesn't know how these things works, and can't figure them out on their own.

While you're at it. Why don't you look into what the average american internet connection is. I think the results will absolutely shock you. Have you learned nothing from the Xbox One launch? The average american's internet situation isn't actually improved that much in the last five years.

Just like VR, people aren't going to want to put the time and effort into dicking around with technology if it doesn't offer an experience that is worth the effort. If someone just owns a tablet and not a gaming PC or a console is not going to shell out $60 for Madden. Period. Full stop. It's patently ridiculous to think that. No one is gonna want to shell out $60 for madden to play it on an 8" tablet with touch screen controls, especially if it's streamed The only reason game pass is getting the latest and greatest games from MS is because they're no longer selling in meaningful numbers on their own. Sony's dominance in the console space has forced MS to devalue their game brands into a $20 a month subscription, which I might add, I bet you'd be surprised how many xbox one owners have no idea what Game Pass is.  I assure you they'd much rather be doing what Sony is doing and getting the sales Sony is getting.

Nintendo has exclusively sold devices on third party content? I take it you mean first party content? And please, lighten up on the "hybrid" talk. It's a portable console that came with a dock in the box. It's not exactly revolutionary. But hey, Sony has ate Nintendo's lunch in the home console space that even they have given up on trying to compete. Also, what are you talking about with Nintendo and MS teaming up? Nintendo is allowing some Xbox live integration to facilitate cross console network play. Everything else is just a rumour.

It does seem strange to me that you think it's sensible that Nintendo is making a portable device that competes for pocket space with cell phones that isn't getting its lunch eaten by Apple and Google, but Sony, dominating a home console, with a first party lineup that's arguably stronger and more popular than it's ever been before is a fucking finger snap from an Apple and Google exec from being decimated in the home console space, even though neither have even come close to attempting a home console offering... because Sony's Smartphones and TVs don't run a Sony Playstation-based operating system. There's a disconnect in your logic there.

Things are just fine in Sony Playstation land. They're just not doing what you want them them to do, and you've convinced yourself that the sky is falling on them as a result.