| Bofferbrauer2 said: 1. The backstop is a part of the divorce deal. Since UK is heading straight into a no-deal Brexit, this part also falls through. In other words, with a No-Deal Brexit, the Backstop also automatically drops off the table and thus the UK is not part of the Customs Union anymore then in any way, and will have to pay import taxes if they want to export to the EU. 2. They have no say, but it's the NI Secretary of State's duty to perform such polls. Also, it's her duty to reflect on people's interests 4. No need for such security. Besides, if the Troubles come back, they happen in Northern Ireland, so it would rather be in UK's interest to raise the wall sky-high instead of Irelands to keep the Nationals from supplying themselves with everything they need. For the rest, look at point number 1 5. Leo is right in a way, as it would keep the spirit of the GFA, but not the letter, which doesn't say anything at all about or against border controls, So these can be put in action without breaking the agreement. LurkerJ already posted the collateral, with some jobs being lost on the continent as there will be slowing trade with the UK for a while at least. The economy of the EU will get a small hit, but nothing near the hit it will be for the UK. |
1. Is being a part of an indefinite customs union a part of that deal as well ? If it is then the ERG are right in that the EU can go kiss their own asses ...
2. It's also the duty of NI Secretary of State to determine the requirements for the polls and she isn't to be held accountable by the people but the prime minister itself ... (just by the virtue that it is the unionists alone who have a decisive advantage in both votes and representation of NI constituencies means that there's no clear majority to hold a border poll)
4. Pretty sure there would need to be security because the extreme Irish nationalists wouldn't be attacking British border patrol officers (UK probably won't send any before Ireland does) but they'd be attacking Irish border patrol officers! Then there's also the issue of there being over hundreds of crossing points and Ireland was FORCED TO BLOCK the vast majority of the crossing points because they've suffered many more breaches on their side so if Ireland is to so much as to block even just a SINGLE crossing point they'd automatically void the GFA. During the Troubles only 20 crossings were open while today there are as many as 275 crossings so I doubt that Ireland will be able to effectively police all of them ...
5. Again Ireland CAN'T BE BLOCKING the crossing points since it would be in absolute breach of the agreement ... (they need a hard border or they get kicked out of the customs union)
The UK will be taking more than just some jobs on the continent. It will also either enable smuggling or result in Ireland getting kicked out of the EU customs union. How is one supposed to deal with the nationalists feeling betrayed in the process and the numerous crossing points ... (for Ireland it's either all or nothing regarding a border so they can't just have a 'soft' border like only a customs check as it would still open the possibility of smuggling)
Last edited by fatslob-:O - on 12 February 2019
