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padib said:
Pemalite said:

That's not it at all. Not entirely sure how you even came to that conclusion.
Religion isn't a pre-requisite to a good life and being a decent human being, I am literal evidence for that.
 

What?

There are consequences. Like being dead.

The thing with Religion is that you can be an absolutely abhorrent disgusting rapist... But if you pray hard enough, you will get into Heaven. - Where is the consequence there?

Nah. Plenty of secular nations get on fine without religion. It's not a required foundation for a functioning society, it never was, never will.

 

If you think Jesus was a nice guy... Think again.


* Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but a sword.  - Matthew 10:34 - Jesus wanted war.

* Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the  the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. -  Matthew 10:21 - Families will be torn a part by Jesus.

* Jesus condemned entire cities to death and eternal torment because they don't care for his preaching. - Matthew 11:20

* Jesus criticized the Jewish people for not murdering their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. - Mark 7:9

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Bible is really a terrible, disgusting book, just like the Torah and Quran... And Jesus is a disgusting individual, God, Son of God, Human or Fairy-tale or not.

My point of view:

One and only one meaning makes sense with the other things that Jesus taught here: Jesus was warning his disciples that their love for him would not be peacefully accepted by people who don't believe. At the time, people were hoping that the messiah would bring political peace but that was a false hope and Jesus was warning people not to cling to that false hope. You will notice that there is a lot of venom aimed at Christianity, with the martyrdom of early Christians in the roman times, to the  silent execution of Christians in the middle east, Jesus was correct.

See my point above. Jesus does not want pain, but to stand for what is true will lead to martyrdom of Christians. Non-believing Brothers deliver their  Christian brothers to death, this happens in worlds that are hostile to Christians be it today around the globe or during history. Non believing children rebel against their believing parents, and cause them even to be put to death in some countires. Don't underestimate the evil in human nature. The instigator of all this is Satan, who wants the blood of innocents, this is not Jesus' work. Jesus calls Christians to submit to one another and non-believing brothers, parents, etc. You really got this one upside down.

Jesus claims to be the path to salvation. This is a serious warning not a judgement, so they can take it seriously for the salvation of their own souls.

In this passage, Jesus is not asking for Jews to put their children to death. If that were true he would not have put a stop to the execution of the adulteress (John 7:5-8:1) This passage rather criticises the concept of avoiding the duty to honor one's parents in order to respect a tradition that intervened with the 4th commandment, in such way causing the children to disobey out of respect for a false rite.

This truly is the tip of the iceberg that demonstrates the enormous, underwater titan of a need for research, soul-seeking and honesty when it comes to how you read the bible. It is urgent that you throw away the hate-tinted glasses you were raised with and put on a new set of glasses to help you understand what the bible actually is trying to communicate to you and to all the other souls out there. This transformation is called being born again, a term many despise because it is Satan's worst nightmare, the conversion of a soul to the kingdom of heaven. Through That healing process, you will be able to finally read what the bible says without twisting it completely out of form. It will no longer be disgusting, but a font of wisdom and peace, and Jesus the role-model you like I and many others desperately need.

I figured this type of thing wasn't worth writing out because of the whole your interpretation vs mine problem. I agree with you for the most part.

Immediately, the whole, I've come to bring a sword not peace, makes no sense because of his lack of violence. How many men did Jesus slay, or how many did he command and clearly send to go kill sinners? To me it's kinda like Trump in some ways. People lose their minds when he says stuff, but he's mostly just talking tough and using it strategically to accomplish the political goal. There's also the fact that when peace clearly isn't working, other steps sometimes need to be taken, but not specifically war, even though you could call it that if you wanted. Again, I see this as a similar reason why Trump came into power. One side wouldn't come to terms with the other sides legitimate issue's, and so then you get Trump. Somebody who said they will fight for the people and take the heat for it, yet he's never thrown a physical punch. Lot's of hate and worse for Trump and his followers, plenty who tend to be Bible believers just by chance. (I should clarify that Trump and Jesus clearly differ greatly in other ways, so Trump ain't no savior)

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 25 January 2019