Why did Jesus Christ sacrifice his self for you?

[EricHiggin]

vivster said:

EricHiggin said:

Pemalite said: 

Now you are delving into hypotheticals.

There are large swathes of the world where religion is leveraged to ban things like contraception which assists the out-of-control population growth. - Many religions are also against Abortion.

Maybe Religion is actually the real problem? 

The more advanced an economy generally becomes, the more secular it generally becomes and generally the lower it's natural population growth via births and deaths becomes and thus needs to be bolstered via immigration.
I know correlation isn't causation, but it's an interesting note.

So your saying people should bang their brains out and expect to get away without dealing with the logical consequences? Don't live life like everything is easy and free seems pretty logical to me.

Typically that path leads to the demise of that economy/society eventually, and not all that long down the road. Religion is like a large main block of the base of a pyramid. Slowly chip away at that block and the whole thing crumbles.

Pemalite said:

Well it would make me someone who isn't gullible.

But how would he put billions of non-con men to shame?

Sometimes being gullible is necessary. More so in large, major, immediate events. Well as far as we know he actually practiced what he preached, and what he preached was pretty logical and peaceful. Not entirely, but in comparison, peaceful. How many of us can say the same about ourselves?

But how does that hold up to the fact that the most prosperous nations are also among the most secular while the poorest nations are fairly religious?

Jesus was a human like all of us and had the same human flaws like we do. So yes, I can say about myself that I am at least quite similar to a human like Jesus.

Well in America for example, the left has seen the light and is making it super clear that the faithless white devils are destroying the world. If only we were more like the poorer religious nations, then everything would be set right. Seems ironic the much more religious rural Americans (in the south) are looked down upon by many, considering they are the majority who lay down their lives for a tonne of people, not just Americans, who will never be tied to them in any manner. I wonder why they are willing to do that, while so many other non religious Americans aren't? It's also pretty normal for poor people to become religious. When you have nothing what else are you going to do?

There is also the case that most people in prosperous nations, like the west, tend to believe in the overall rules and guidelines the society abides by, for the most part. The west is built on religious teachings and values. That may not be evident in today's world, which it's not for most, since people are more concerned about what's on the surface then what's underneath.

Can you turn water into wine without physically tampering with it? Physically heal people by simply touching them? I can't as a typical human, can you? If people had that kind of power, which let's assume can be used for good or bad depending on the person, how many of them would use it in the manner Jesus did, with vast restraint and for good?

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 22 January 2019