Pemalite said:
Eagle367 said:
You can't measure emotion, intelligence, will and only consequences of it.
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Actually we can.
Everything in our brains is governed by various electro-chemical processes, which we do actually have a scientific understanding-of.
I highly suggest you look at the studies being done to some great-apes, especially once we teach them human language.
Eagle367 said:
Any biological being that feels in any way cannot be put in a box with just empirical evidence.
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False.
Eagle367 said:
I would say it's very close minded rather than pragmatic. Which is funny since atheists like to call religious people close minded without actually acknowledging any benefit of religion.
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Mostly such angles of attack come about because religion comes into conflict with scientific achievement.
Case in point: Evolution. - The empirical evidence surrounding evolution is undeniable at this point, yet many religious folk will deny it all.
Let alone the scientific inaccuracies of the Bible.
Eagle367 said:
The scientific method cannot and should not be applied everywhere, it was never meant to be applied everywhere and it can be very destructive whent Ake to the extreme, just as most extremes can be.
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The Scientific method has given us every single comfort we enjoy today.
It can and should be applied everywhere.
Science flies us to Mars, what does Religion fly us to? Hopes and Dreams?
EricHiggin said:
Without religion, it would be tough to scientifically reason that stopping Hitler was the right thing to do. If he and his people are tougher, smarter, more organized, etc, why not let them advance? Isn't that the reason for allowing tech to advance, because it's better than what exists now in terms of benefiting those who use that tech to their advantage? Tech may not have feelings now, but what about if we ever create true AI? Are we not allowed to discard and toss the old outdated units aside because they are, or seem conscious?
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Hitler's entire war was partly based on Religion and Anti-Religious rhetoric. (I.E. Antisemitism.)
The entire war in the Middle east, The Twin Towers... All of that, is because of Religion.
And the reason why we wouldn't let him advance is because of the millions that lost their lives, you don't need religion to be moral.
Besides, Science doesn't actually care about moralistic points of view, that is a human input, science is just there to explain the natural world.
EricHiggin said:
Jesus is like the necessary scientific test to prove the theory. Let's just say God thought he knew everything, like some humans do, but needed to put it to the test physically to prove it.
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Nah.
Another hypothesis is that Jesus was just a con-man who conned billions of people with fairy-tales and magic tricks.
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