jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:
What exactly is there to negotiate. Trump has not given anything to the Dems to make them budge. He has blamed them for everything even when he is the one who stated he wanted the shutdown. If you remember the Dems tried to work with Trump and was willing to give him his 25 billion for the wall. I guess you forgot what happened then as well. Right wing media blew it up just like they did now and he backed out. After that point and another back out by Trump, why would the Dems go through that again. Right wing media is what controls Trump and so if the Dems want to negotiate they should go to them first and not Trump.
Everyone knows this isn't about the wall. It's definitely not about boarder security because there really isn't a real plan from the WH. 5.6 Billion isn't building anything. It's definitely not putting into place any real security with that wall and exactly what will it cover. It's a 15 year project that will cost probably 50 Billion or more. It's just another stunt from Trump to say he did something but we are footing the bill or for his ego.
This can all end if McConnell put the vote on the bills that passed the house on the Senate floor and they can push it through without the President. This is about politics on both sides and the GOP and the President have given nothing for the Dems to change their minds. When the GOP had the majority in Congress and the White House, they didn't even try to pass a bill for this wall. The GOP didn't want it and Trump really didn't care. Now that the Dems control the house we are all to believe that the wall is so important now, after 2 years not caring. This is the reason con men thrive in the US. The polls will be what make any movement on this issue and when the GOP see favor slipping for their future 2020 bid, then McConnell will put those bills on the Senate floor and we will move on.
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TBH Trump was dumb to back off from the DACA deal. It would have helped DACA recipients not have to live with the fear of getting deported and would have gave lots of money towards the wall.
Trump has offered things Democrats want though. He is willing to increase things like technology in the southern border which democrats have been asking for. He has alo said that it does not even have to be a whole wall but can also be a large fence which Democrats have wanted for awhile now.
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Trump has a trust problem. The Dems do not trust him and he hasn't shone he can be trusted. Right now, the Dems are saying we will do nothing about wall as part of opening the government. They do not want it included in the deal period. They have stated they want this to be something done properly and a comprehensive reform not some one off BS that will be on the next agenda come February. I cannot really blame them because if they back down now they will continue to back down every time Trump pulls this stunt again. Actually the last talks he just had with the Dems he just threw another demand down saying fund his wall in 30 days. Of course the Dems said no and he walked out of the meeting. If you believe that is negotiating where you throw out demands but give nothing in return, then Trump is doing great.
The thing is, Trump really isn't looking to negotiate and he really isn't concerned about the shutdown since it stalls the current investigations (federal) going on. Hell, Manafort lawyers revealed that he was passing data to a Russian agent during the campaign including after he was let go.
