StriderKiwi said:
collint0101 said:
My mind isn't made up and I'm probably way more open to economic conservatism than you would think but social conservatism feels toxic. Just take a second to think about the conversation being had here, people are actively defending a YouTuber that went on a racist rant while debating an alt righter, this is the hill people are willing to die on. Countless arguments along the lines of "well what about rappers" "why can't everyone say the n word" well how much do you want to be those same rappers would be gone in a heartbeat if they started ranting about Jews or made homophobic comments. Free speech is 1 thing but it seems like this anti sjw, pro free speech crowd doesn't understand that unless you're being physically attacked or arrested reactions to your shitty speech are just as valid as your shitty speech in the first place
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"Racist rant while debating an alt righter"
As many have been arguing about prior, this is not the context. He was on a libertarian's stream. Some of the commenters were making anti-jew and other racist comments. Sargon decides to attack them by using their own language/rhetoric to demean them. I wouldn't have worded it the way he did, but to claim that's he's alt right like the people he regularly debates (as many incorrectly have been) is wrong.
Link to the full clip (came from an almost 2 hour stream)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5575decxWoI
The alt right hate Sargon because he regularly ridicules them, so they started a campaign to get him deplatformed. The transcript Patreon showed for their reasoning for banning him was what the alt right activists had spammed Patreon with, and it included parts cut out of his speech. Nick Monroe proved this.
My biggest issue with this is that there's blatant lies being spread and so many are quick to take an immediate stance because they judge the situation just by how it sounds. And THAT is what scares me. This type of decision making is what ruins innocent peoples lives. Think of how many people are getting falsely accused of something these day. They lose almost everything and even if the truth comes to light later, the liars go unpunished and there's no real redemption.
While I don't like James Gunn as a person, his political stances, and I found his tweets to be absolutely disgusting and beyond retarded to post, I did not want to see him fired, and I don't even like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Cernovich and his crew, though I can understand their reasoning, stooped too low in doing it, and frankly Disney had to have known the type of guy James was when they hired him. I don't buy his whole "That was X years ago, I'm a kids movie kind of guy now" thing but the firing was a corporate decision that now gives these mobs even more power.
These two situation aren't an exact 1 for 1 but there's still a lot in common and it's disheartening to see people buck principle for tribalism.
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My opinions on this apply to everyone, it has nothing to do with tribalism if you are on someone else's platform you play by their rules simple as that. If someone shows up at a church or a nra meeting or some other typically conservative event and starts talking about LGBT rights or Marxism they shouldn't be surprised when they get kicked out. Echo chambers are bad and they do not foster legitimate discussion but the sooner the radicals and outliers are kicked out and deplatformed the sooner politics can go back to being somewhat normal. No one should be forced to cater to people that use racist slurs they should be ignored to removed just like any other troll. I simply have 0 sympathy for Sargon and Lauren (replacement theory) southern and all of these other people being removed
Last edited by collint0101 - on 24 December 2018
