Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

[Final-Fan]

NightlyPoe said:

Final-Fan said:

This seems either deliberately disingenuous or incredibly narrowminded.  It doesn't matter which is bigger?  Why wouldn't it, when the one that we have actual evidence is happening is the one NOT receiving legislation purportedly designed to stop it?  Let me rephrase my question from earlier:  do you think it's not unreasonable that they are focusing almost exclusively on in-person voter fraud despite repeated failures to produce evidence of it being a significant problem, instead of focusing on stopping fraud schemes such as this one?   

1.  I don't believe I said that it doesn't matter.  I said both matter and I want both stopped.

Also, I'll point out that the size of the operation made it a lot easier for the irregularity to spot.  So maybe easier was the wrong word.

Why wouldn't it, when the one that we have actual evidence is happening is the one NOT receiving legislation purportedly designed to stop it?  Let me rephrase my question from earlier:  do you think it's not unreasonable that they are focusing almost exclusively on in-person voter fraud despite repeated failures to produce evidence of it being a significant problem, instead of focusing on stopping fraud schemes such as this one?  

2.  I'm not sure what more legislating there is to do outside of maybe harsher sentences.  What was done is already illegal and there's no interaction between the agent and the government to tighten things up.  We can talk about states that are opening up ballot harvesting if you want and stopping that to prevent these sorts of situations, but it's not been a Republican initiative.

Hell, eliminating ballot harvesting would probably be struck down for disproportionately affecting minorities too.

3.  One person's opinion?

Fine, three people's opinion.  Does that really make a difference?

4.  are you really claiming that it's just because of biased Democratic judges, and that the rest of the judicial system is simply choosing not to call out their bullshit?  

I am claiming that the premise is weak and based on a political narrative that all these laws are about restricting minority voters.

5.  As for "if the case had gone through", when the Supreme Court chose not to hear it, why do you think that decision doesn't imply that they didn't think the decision as it stood was likely to be in error?

North Carolina's new governor asked that the appeal be rescinded.  The previous year there appeared to be 4 justices ready to overturn the 4th Circuit decision.  With the vacancy filled by Gorsuch in 2017, they probably would have done so if the case had gone forward.

6.  Do you disagree that this would be the neutral presumption in the absence of evidence to the contrary? 

Given the blizzard of filings over who is and who is not authorized to seek review in this court under North Carolina law, it is important to recall our frequent admonition that the 'denial of a writ of certiorari imports no expression of opinion upon the merits of the case.'

Chief Justice John Roberts

1.  If you would think "an argument over which is bigger is not really one I'm interested in happening" when the question is the relative priority level of a house on fire and a trash can on fire, then we'll have to agree to disagree.  

2.  Isn't the "no action between the agent and the government" a possible area of improvement?  I mean surely there could be closer tracking of how many ballots people are collecting from voters than what happened.  Accounting of what specifically was done with ballots not returned, etc. instead of having to rely on citizen whistleblowers to notice thousands disappearing. 

3.  When five people's opinion is enough to determine whether millions of fetuses are people or not, yeah I think it makes a difference. 

4.  You sounded like you were saying that the 4th circuit court is packed full of partisan hacks that rule based on politics and no one does anything about it because ___. 

5.  Didn't know that; thanks for the correction. 
6.  Didn't remember that; thanks for the correction.