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curl-6 said:
Snoorlax said:

But that's exactly what i'm referring to. - The core gamers are essentially these nerds/enthusiasts vocal minority on forums and gaming websites that take gaming seriously, there's nothing wrong with that but that's the way it is and when the average core gamer, even Nintendo gamers, doesn't view Nintendo as a console competitor but as something else or  better as a third party developer than you know something is going wrong with Nintendo consoles.

- The mainstream majority are not core gamers but casuals who follow trends and they didn't view Nintendo as "cool" the same way they viewed the PS3 and 360 if they wanted to play FIFA? they bought a PS3. Call of Duty? Xbox360. Red Dead Redemption? Xbox360. GTA 4 and 5? PS3. Most nextgen core games don't appear on Nintendo consoles which is another reason why Nintendo consoles have a big disadvantage and when they do have these games, they usually don't sell well which goes back to my second point.

- I dare say 80% or 70% of Wii's sales were casuals and their kids and by the time WiiU launched those casuals and kids jumped ship to PS4, Xbox One or their phones. I don't hate Wii i love it but the fact is it didn't do Nintendo any favors in the long run by 2010 the Wii was known as the "dust collector" because most people just stopped caring about it. Great sales yes, but it made Nintendo lose even more third party support and just been left to do it's own thing.

The self-described core gamers vastly overestimate their own importance. They are a tiny minority who just happen to be the most vocal whiners. Consoles don't succeed by catering to the 1% of forum-going nerds, they succeed by reaching a mainstream audience.

I get what you're saying but my point is Nintendo consoles have not received the same "mainstream acceptance" as they did before 2001 or what Sony and MS consoles had over the years. When N64 launched teens/young adults were all over it because it was viewed as the next big thing in gaming but that didnt work out for WiiU. Nowadays Nintendo needs to work their asses off to impress young adults to lose that kiddy image.

Again same goes for 3Rd parties. Sony and MS don't even need to try to cater to them because theyll jump on the bandwagon the second they announce a new console, the same can not be said for WiiU and Switch.