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EricHiggin on 12 November 2018
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fatslob-:O said:
EricHiggin said:

Sure but if Ryzen 2 is on 7nm next year, assuming that PS5 will end up on 7nm+ by years end seems like a far stretch. We also don't know what kind of capacity TSMC will have at that time. If they can't guarantee 10's of millions of chips early on in the gen on that process, with high yields, then PS won't use it.

Samsung is a different company with their own foundries so that doesn't mean much in terms of TSMC other than competition. How widely available and expensive are those products though?

Ryzen 2 is already here, it's Ryzen 3 you're talking about that will feature AMD's 2nd generation Zen microachitecture and will be based on next generation logic nodes 7nm/7nm+ ... 

Another likely possibility will be next gen console APUs will likely be based on Ryzen APU's which always release after the pure Ryzen CPU parts so that makes it even more likely that 7nm+ is a potential target. TSMC had enough capacity this year to launch dozen's of millions of new iPhone XS/XR so I'm pretty certain that TSMC would be able to handle the launch of a potential PS5 especially since 7nm+ is a low risk delivery node when TSMC is just upgrading their production lines to use ASML's new EUV scanners ... 

As for Samsung, they aren't just an IDM since they actually do have chip design customers but I think the likelihood of a PS5 launch in 2019 is very slim regardless ... (as for the price, don't be too concerned about it since a short term and long term advantage in cost savings will be observed compared to the last several years where logic foundries had to deal with multiple patterning) 

Ryzen 2 will be the 3000 series on 7nm, based on the Zen 2 arch. We've had Ryzen 1000 and Ryzen+ 2000 so far. Zen 3 is supposed to be on 7nm+. 

If I remember correctly, Ryzen APU's came out considerably later than Ryzen CPU's did at launch, but while they were based on the Ryzen+ 2000 series, they were still on the 14nm process, not the 12nm process Ryzen+ CPU's were shortly transitioning to. Based on this, PS5 could be Zen 2, but not necessarily on 7nm.

I just meant Samsung isn't the same company as TSMC. I am also not totally convinced of a 2019 launch, that's just what the rumor was based on. Could be 2019 or 2020.