US Midterm Elections 2018- Dems take the House, GOP Keeps the Senate.

[Final-Fan]

irstupid said:

Final-Fan said:

[edit:  original was too harsh. 

[You say many, but I presume this means "not all".  I would still say that any required voter ID should be free; otherwise it's a fancy poll tax.  Do you support/accept or oppose poll taxes?]

They all could be for all I know. I just didn't say all, because if there was one that wasn't then someone would come in an cherry pick my comment saying that's not true, like you did.

You already ignored my first three paragraphs that make the last one meaningless. An ID costs like $25. If you can't F*cking afford an id, then you should be getting government assistance. OH, and as I said, to get assistance, you need an ID.

And you know what poor people consume more of than people ell off? Alcohol and tobacco. Both which REQUIRE an ID.

Is is a fancy poll tax? No. Life is incredibly hard without an ID. You can't legally get gov't assistance, drive, drink, smoke, have a bank acct, get a job, ect. All those things you need to do illegally without an ID. So pray tell me, why someone would not want an ID. Getting one makes ones life infinitely easier. 

Well, clearly SOME people get by without ... millions of people, apparently.  And at least some of the activities you mention can be done with ID that does not count as voter ID in these laws that we are talking about.  Not to mention edge cases like this guy and edge cases when it comes to basic civil rights are still important. 

I ignored your other paragraphs because they are irrelevant to the specific question of whether you're okay with (hypothetically) requiring an ID that requires money to pay for it.  Which you didn't answer. 

I mean, your own argument brings up a pretty evil catch-22:  "if you can't afford an ID, you should be on public assistance, only you need ID for that" ... so what, they're just completely fucked?  Is that the conclusion I should be drawing here?

Although I'm not sure exactly what gov't assistance you're referring to—food stamps don't have ID requirements as strict as these laws, or that's what I gather from this website. 

Last edited by Final-Fan - on 09 November 2018