Mr Puggsly said:
The debate isn't really whether or not its happening. Most agree its happening, but argue just not at a significant level. Oh, I agree the republicans are benefitting from the caravan. It also puts the democrats in a weird position because they seem to be approving of it or ignoring it because they know independent voters generally are not happy about it. I'm not arguing the people on the caravan will vote, but it supports the narrative illegal immigration into this country is a mess. The popular vote simply doesn't matter when voting for a president. Because we have a system that gives all states a say, but it still gives large states the most power. People ignore in the electoral college the democrats essentially start with the support of states like California, New York and numerous other states which is a lot of points in the electoral college. While republicans actually have to appeal to the working class if they hope to win the electoral college. Obama ran as a moderate and dominated. Hillary ran as left wing hack and got crushed in the electoral college. However in local elections via the popular vote people can still vote for mayors, governors, senators, house representatives and other appointments that shape sates and the country. People actually want illegals voting in local elections and dems have been vocal about that. |
This caravan doesn't really prove anything as far as illegal immigration. The only thing it proves is that desperate people will go to a place they feel offer a better life. Currently we have no clue how many will seek asylum or will try to illegally cross. The only thing we can infer from this caravan is that its coming. The talking point from Trump is that everyone is a criminal, gang thug, terrorist you name it, It still plays to his base.
Even on local level, the most progressive city like Sans Fran do not allow illegals to vote on a city or state level. Instead they can only vote on school board elections and only if they have a child who was born in the US. There is no state that allows illegals to vote in state elections. As I stated, its the fear that is made and flamed then any actual facts. You can take the President comment from one of his rallies where he proclaimed that their are states allowing illegals to vote. He made it ambiguous enough so that he wasn't totally lying but left it so that people would believe him without fact checking and believe its on a state or federal level. It's a very common political tactic especially when you know the people will just take your word for it without checking facts or context.
Also think about what you are suggesting. You are suggesting that the millions of illegals are here thinking about illegally voting to do what. Most are scared of ever being found out they are here illegally and voting is the last thing on their mind. The though process or even this caravan of a thousand souls is looking to illegally come into the US and find some way to vote illegally so they can do what. At the end of the day, all this does is play to your fears. Its like a movie director who make the squeaky noise, turn off the lights and let your imagination fill in the blank even though their is nothing there.
Last edited by Machiavellian - on 01 November 2018
