Trump's Personal Lawyer And Campaign Manager Both Going To Prison

[Final-Fan]

EricHiggin said:

Final-Fan said:

You very nearly didn't answer a single question I asked you.  But you did answer the question "what's the joke?" for which I thank you.  If I understood you correctly, the joke is that saying "America's so true" is supposed to tell people "American media is so false" which is an absolutely mind-boggling leap for me.  Putting aside that I disagree with his fake news narrative, and even taking into account how often he goes after so-called mainstream media for being fake news, I STILL can't see a good enough connection between America being true and American news being fake for a joke to be likely.  I haven't watched as much of Donald Trump as you have but what I have seen of his comedy is much, much less oblique.  (And if you had to look up that word in the dictionary, that's basically what I'm saying people would have to do with his joke unless they were on the exact same mental wavelength already.)  So basically I have to disagree with your conclusion about what the joke is. 

So right now I have two things I still want to ask you. 

1.  Everything I asked you in #1 in the previous post, which you didn't address at all.  You said you thought the background noise was unrelated, and I think I have a pretty strong case that it's related.  The questions basically present to you my train of thought and ask you to tell me where we part ways. 

2.  If the joke is what you described, why did he say "Didn't expect that reaction", and then later say "that was meant to get some laughter"? 

The coughing is just a point. There is coughing going on before hand, which just points out that you can't really say it's all laughter. Some might be, but there are many other things it could also be, talking, etc, and could be all of them potentially. It doesn't make sense for people to immediately start laughing as far as I'm concerned. After he goes on for a while and makes it clear he's going to boast for a bit, then laughing could make sense, so the earlier background noise you mention is unlikely to fall into this. Since you say that background noise continues, it makes me believe it's not laughter, unless it's some laughter added to whatever it was beforehand, which could be possible, as many things are at this point. This also puts into question, are they laughing at Trump himself, or what he's saying and how he's saying it, or do they think America isn't doing as well as he says it is and he's lying, or maybe it's just the typical American's boasting about themselves in general that they find funny. There's a bunch of potential reasons.

Trump likes to push buttons, just like how the left likes to do so. Trump laughing it up big time and making it clear everyone is in on the joke, would make it way to obvious to the media and everyone else, that it was about the media, which will cause the media to go into full offensive mode against Trump, since they would be under immediate 'attack'. Trump doesn't mind a fight, but he's tired of swatting the media bees nest with a bat, and just likes to throw stones from a distance now and get those bees a little wound up. By pretending enough that he wasn't expecting that response, the media would at least know it wasn't clear to the world it was about them, if they caught on at all, and would leave Trump alone for the most part. By leave Trump alone, I mean they were going to use anything they could against him during that UN visit regardless, which is to be expected, but Trump didn't want to escalate that.

Trump later saying I meant it to get laughter, is letting the cat out of the bag. Letting the media, if they didn't know (for sure), and the world, that he was making fun of the media the whole time. By waiting some time to let this out, it let's the media calm down if necessary, and allows more news to come to light. Once the news moves on from a smaller story, they really don't like to go back unless they can hit it hard. It was best for them at that point to basically move on and pretend like it never happened, after of course using what Trump said about it being planned all along that it was meant to be a joke, as one last quick shot because 'obviously' that couldn't be true since he's such a 'screw up'.

The media coverage and it's details in the U.S. is quite one sided depending on what station your watching. Many important details that would ruin their point of view on the story are almost always left out, and they never bring them up after the fact. They just move on and leave the audience with the initial story they told. This is part of the reason the U.S is so divided. The lefty stations make it look like the right are horrible people, and the righty stations make it look like the left are crazy. The truth is that if everyone knew all the details, or watched a variety of news, they would be able to get the full complete story each time, and realize sometimes the left is wrong and sometimes the right is wrong, and that's just normal life. Trump wants the news overall to be more fair about how they tell their stories, and most news doesn't want to because of their own business and political reasons.

1.  You shouldn't bring up coughing to make a point if the coughing IN NO WAY supports the point you are trying to make.  "Someone made noise at some point, therefore there's tons of background chatter unrelated to the laughter" is total nonsense when in conjunction with the UNDISPUTED fact* that it comes immediately before and builds into the noise that comes later that we both agree is laughter. 

*I asserted it as fact, explicitly asking you to agree or disagree in both of my last two posts and you declined twice; I can only presume you at least don't disagree. 

2.  It makes no sense to me to simultaneously say Trump likes to push buttons, and was trying to push the media's buttons, and yet was also trying to sneak the joke past the media.  If it "wasn't clear to the world", how does it make sense that the line got a big laugh at all?  Are you suggesting that everyone was laughing at a DIFFERENT joke that they perceived Trump as telling?  I mean, I don't intend to hold you accountable for proving 100% what was in Trump's head or the other U.N. delegates' heads, but you're all over the map here with ideas that seem mutually exclusive to me. 

On a different note, I also would like to know what you think about my own theory about what Trump meant by "so true".  Do you think it's actually implausible, or do you think it's plausible but your own idea is even more likely?