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Machiavellian said:

Lets just address the first link.  Nowhere in that article did it provide not one veritable proof that any leak came from Mueller team.  If anything it shows that leaks come from everywhere including the white house.  

Your second link provided absolutely nothing.  It's about Freedom watch wanting records pertaining to the Flynn case.

The third link is about the 50 questions leaked to the press.  Anybody who was paying attention knows that the white house leaked those questions.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/05/why-did-trumps-lawyers-leak-the-mueller-questions-a-few-theories/

The last link is about as supportive as the others.  In other words you did a google search and found these links but did not read any of them.  If anything, all the leaks within Trump administration seems a direct result of confidence in him.  There seems to be this image from people within Trump admin that he is an idiot.  This seems to be proven time and again when he opens his mouth or tweets.  Anyway, continue your google search, you might find something worth pinning on Mueller team instead of everyone else trying to make money off of this idiot in office.

They don't prove beyond a doubt Cohen and Manafort, but they do point out questionable behavior regardless, and you pretend like the rest doesn't matter, only the one specific point made. Your the one using Trump and all his lies over time to justify specific points here and now, which don't include those past lies apparently, so why can't I? Excuses much?

Machiavellian said:

Let me help you with the excuse part since you do not know what I consider an excuse.

Trump lies, my response, he is a liar

Your response

As I explained earlier, when every Dem and lefty and the majority of the media are after you and are willing to spin everything you do or say to try and make a fool of you, what tends to happen is those 'victims' tend to lie, since they are, or would be, lied about anyway. 

This is a classic example of what I consider a excuse to excuse Trump behavior.  What you basically try to do here is say that Trump lying is a result of everyone else.  Its everyone else fault he lies not because he is just a lier.  Actually if we are going to use the term correctly he is what you call a bullshitter.  In that one line, you tried to make Trump out to be some type of victim.  Most of your post is trying to make Trump some type of victim.  The media and the left is why he does what he does.

So within the body of text you have written, you have found an excuse to ignore or dismiss behavior you probably would not tolerate from anyone else.  These are used as excuses so you do not have to deal with parts that you do not like.

So here is my expectation from anyone not just Trump.  To be as honest as you possible can.  If you are caught lying, what I do not expect you to do is cover up with another lie.  I do not expect to have to keep checking to see if you are lying the majority of the time and I definitely do not expect to have to constantly question anything that you say.  This is where I am at with the President.  Everytime he opens his mouth about anything, I am at the point to believe he is lying first not telling the Truth.  Maybe you like to be BS all the time but at some point in time, I willing to believe even you will get tired of it.

You point out Trump is a liar, always has been, always will be, with so much hard evidence... I point out so has the media, and for much longer and much more substantial than Trump since he hasn't been Prez for long. You completely ignore this and point out again how only Trump and his administration can be wrong. I call that excuses.

It's hard to know when someone is being victimized, when there are so many playing victim, and doing an award winning job at it. Some not so much. So if I don't have a problem with the behavior and tolerate it, then it's not excuses? Because I don't for the most part. Problem solved then?

There is also just dropping and bypassing an argument completely, like some people tend to do over the course of a conversation... Would you rather everyone turn a blind eye when they can't, beyond a shadow of a doubt, back up their claims, yet reply with another non related argument to try and make their case?

A bunch of the points I made point out how both sides could be viewed as just as bad as the other, and instead of agreeing with any of them, you always take the side against Trump. The weather is never always just too hot or too cold, too wet or too dry, etc. If it ever was, you would definitely know there was a problem.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 17 September 2018