Trump's Personal Lawyer And Campaign Manager Both Going To Prison

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EricHiggin said:

You only know what Trump may know, based on what your told by media sources, and you don't know what they themselves know and understand either. Trump stated while he thought the Russia prob was bogus, he was fine with it happening, he was just pissed off that the entire media was telling America that Trump was at the heart of it which had to no truth to it. When he asked Comey to officially let it be known Trump wasn't part of it, he refused, even though he was clearly fine with covering and clearing things up for others in the past. This and the fact he leaked so much 'info' after the fact to that same media, just proves Trump was right about Comey clearly being against Trump, and how can Trump trust the FBI if he knows the man in charge is against him? Trump is the President remember. Comey's excuse that he couldn't say it because if it was ever found that Trump was part of it, he would have to backtrack, is ridiculous, because that means he can't ever announce anything since the FBI doesn't know every single little detail about everything, so what if?

Here is you giving another excuse for Trump ignorance.  Comey in his position does not have to tell the president who is also under the same investigation if he is cleared.  No law enforcement person tells a person under investigation if they are in the clear or not until after the investigation.  It doesn't matter what Comey opinion of Trump is or was.  People who investigate other people do not have to like you to do their job and you do not have to like your boss to do your job.  What you are stating here which is obstruction is that because Comey would not tell the president he was not under investigation, Trump fired him.  Then your ignorance and Trump ignorance would land you both in the same place we are here today.

Your saying because someone in Trumps circle had a meeting with a Russian, that means Trump had contact with them? How indirect do things have to be before they no longer count as contact? Trumps people quickly come clean and explain the Russian lied about Hillary evidence and offer up the emails immediately, and you see that as hiding and lying? Well since he's married with children, I'd assume he doesn't want his wife and family to find out, especially if he's paid her off already, who knows. Since the media would turn this into the biggest sex scandal the universe has ever seen, even if it was the most boring meaningless one ever, I can see why he would lie.

So you believe all top officials in Trump administration, his Son and Son in Law, attorney and campaign manager attends a meeting in itself is a violations and Trump did not know about it.  Next in the same sentence, you say they came clean after they lied about ever having the meeting.  Then you forget that they stated that the meeting was about abortions which was another lie when it was about dirt on Hillary.  How many lies before we get to the truth.  Now you expect everyone to just believe nothing came from the meeting since we have to take their word for it after lying 4 times.  Give me a break, who would believe them now after lying so many times and only coming to another excuse after they were exposed as lying.

Same reason the left were totally against Obama having to show his birth certificate. It was such an easy thing to crush and make go away, yet dragged on forever. Assuming anybody is legit because someone else checked them out and vetted them is naive. Who checks the fact checkers? Was Obama innocent of this 'crime'? Sure looked like it. Is Trump innocent of the Russia 'crime'? Sure looks like it.

What makes you believe Trump is innocent of working with Russia.  If anything, everyone of the people who were asked if they had any previous contact with Russia during his campaign have been found lying.  Flynn, Session, Trump JR and Krusher, Manford hell you name it.  Just maybe if their reflex was not to lie first and be proven guilty first they maybe you would have a point.

I asked for the negatives, not the positives. Only bringing up the positives makes it seem as if the likelihood that the negatives outweighing the positives is the case, and so Trump failing at those new ventures would be the norm. Who's to say it was Trumps fault directly? Maybe some of the people in those organizations screwed up big time and cost Trump. You can't expect him or anyone else to always pick all the right people. Which also brings up the fact there are clearly some people in the administration that are doing a great job of making him think they are there for the people, when really they are there to get 'dirt' on Trump and leak it to the media to bring him down.

I never said these people can do absolutely everything and never ever fail. If your point is Trump always fails at business, then why does that mean he automatically fails at politics? Like I said before, maybe his strong suit isn't actually business. That's a little bit hard to believe considering how well America's economy is doing right now, but maybe that's what a crappy businessman get's you. Imagine if he was actually 'good' at business. Who's to say Trump wanted to turn things around? Maybe he was just trying something new for the hell of it since he's uber rich, and decided to cut his losses and move onto something else. That's a smart brand move. A little negativity and you drop it. Just look at the people getting fired lately. They cause a potential problem for the brand, doesn't matter how, what, or when, and they are dropped immediately. Anything to keep the main brand strong.

American economy was doing well before he got into office.  Something you have to understand about macroeconomics is that things do not fall apart right away.  Instead it usually take years for the fallout of someone policies to have effects that leads to economic crisis.  So if Trump did nothing, the economy would still be going strong since all the numbers were a steady slide going down.  If Trump gets another 4 years, lets see how well things go from there.  As for Trump trying something new, given more to the rich well, I believe history will show its not only nothing new but has been done multiple times and each time we were further into debt.  Since the Trend seems to be continuing, I guess you have not paid attention to the how the Deficit is above a Trillion now and steadily climbing.  I guess something like that means nothing when Trump is in office since he was the one who stated he would bring it in check.  The people getting fired are the people who got caught.  Interesting how that works.  You say you hire all the best people but you hire a bunch of crooks.  They are all good until they get caught then you can say you are draining the swamp.  Lol, you really do eat that up don't you.

Steve Jobs was completely booted out of Apple early on, his own company, yet came back and made cell phones instead and now their practically untouchable. I wouldn't exactly say Elon Musk is on top, but he's a fighter and on his way. Trump failed multiple times yet sprung right back, and didn't bail on them all because clearly he still has his main business and is still a billionaire. Trump was also told by the worldwide masses he had zero chance of becoming the President, and was (and still is) constantly dodging political wrecking balls like the world has never seen, and sure enough, he's the President. 

Exactly, Steve was booted from Apple came back and made the company the most successful in the world.  Talk about taking a company who needed MS to bail them out a few times to being above that same company in market cap.  That is what success looks like.  Steve Jobs took Apple from the brink of ruin to the biggest company in the world.  Now, you tell me, what company did Trump run that was on the brink, in bad shape or going south that he took and brought it to success.  This is the difference when you put Trump in the same mix as someone like Jobs. Unlike Jobs, every company that was in any kind of financial crisis under Trump they failed.  If they did not fail he bailed on them took as much money as he could and left them in rubles.  For some reason you want people to give Trump the benefit of the doubt but if you were a hiring boss and looked at his previous record, you would not even think twice about giving him the job.

Trade and taxes for one. Heavily taxing American companies and allowing goods to come in cheap, while those highly taxed American products, are hit again when entering other countries makes no sense. Trump fixed that, but maybe went a little too far with corporate tax breaks, but it's much better than it was, and new businesses and jobs in America are quickly growing. How about Kavanaugh and the Supreme Court position? Nobody saw that coming because everyone thought Trump would go with a righty and why not? The left couldn't ask for a better scenario at this point in time, and yet as per usual, they are bashing both Trump and Kavanaugh. The recent hearings were brutal to watch, what a joke.

Here is a perfect example when ignorance rules decisions.  Just this Sunday Trump patted himself on a decision concerning Ford and their Ford Focus.  This is another example of a host of examples of ignorance that he displays and when maybe keeping quiet would be better than opening his mouth for everyone to see.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/09/09/ford-analysts-trump-tweet-focus/1250457002/

When you do not understand about how global trade and supply train works, you make ignorant comments like Trump does making everyone even more afraid he doesn't know what the heck he is doing.  I will give you one thing, giving.  I also love how he constant make statements in his ignorance forcing even Fox to correct him like his statement about GDP being above unemployment for the first time in 100 years.