NoCtiS_NoX said:
zorg1000 said:
Sony does have a long way to go to match 3DS 1st party sales. 3DS has 3 over 15 million, 7 over 10 million, 11 over 5 million.
PS4 has 0 over 15 million, 1 over 10 million, 6 over 5 million
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Look at my reply with Rol but you are right but if we match the totals sales PS4 is not that far behind.
RolStoppable said:
A fair comparison is one that is intellectually honest and includes estimates for where games will end up once all is said and done. You can't say Sony and Nintendo are on the same level when Sony basically needed three times as long as Nintendo (PS4 vs. Switch) to achieve similar numbers, and a longer timeframe comes with the additional advantage of having a bigger installed base to sell to as long as a console isn't a complete failure. In the case of PS4 vs. Switch we are looking at ~80m consoles sold vs. ~20m, so it's three times as much time and four times the installed base in Sony's favor.
An extrapolation of Switch first party game sales makes it a foregone conclusion that Sony won't come close to being on Nintendo's level. Right now the most obvious example is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe which has passed 10m shipped and has added 1m+ each quarter; that game isn't slowing down and if there's no Mario Kart 9 released in 2019, then MK8D will go beyond 20m. The 3DS has sold more than 70m hardware units and is still comfortably ahead of the PS4 in terms of 15m+, 10m+ and 5m+ sellers (see zorg1000's post); the 3DS had more time on the market than the PS4, but getting several games above 10m is no easy feat. Launch-aligned Switch is outpacing the 3DS in hardware and software sales, so it is very likely that Switch will continue to stay ahead and finish ahead.
I wasn't only talking about Uncharted 4 when I said that Sony's games will stall around 10m. I include all of Sony's big sellers that have already been mentioned in this thread. Sony needs games that sell 15m+, because Nintendo is already bound to have a few games cross that mark on Switch.
Sony's sales are good on their own because their big games have sold better than on the PS3 and at the same time they've produced fewer flops, but you've set too high of a bar for this thread with "entered Ninty level."
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The thing is you are so obsessed with the install base and that is not even my point. I kept repeating my self that it doesn't matter. We are speaking about raw numbers. It doesn't matter if Sony took 50 years to do it. It doesn't matter if the games I mentioned didn't outsell Mario Kart. The point of the comparison is the 4 games that I highlighted are competing with Ninty Level of sales especially Last of US and Soon GOW. 17M for TLoU that is Pokemon level already.
Bringing more context. GOW 5M first month is sold thru. The good part about it that it is only 1 month and it's sold thru and not shipped.
Then UC4's 8.7M and HZD's 7.6M is also sold thru.
Breaking the 10M barrier is Nintendo's Territory. UC4 entered that territory. Ninty levels. As I mentioned earlier 10M is just a safe bet as a minimum sales for UC4 and we are not even talking about Shipments. So if we take a look at 3DS sales UC4 is sandwich between Animal Crossing and Smash.
GOW has the highest chance of selling 15M when the generation ends. With how well it's selling. If GOW sold 15M isn't that Ninty levels already? or Am I wrong?
Last of us II is another contender for 15M.
Yes I will concede for the 3DS in terms of 15M but in terms of 10M and 5M it's not a long way for PS4. They will surely catch up when it PS4 is done. Doesn't matter if they felt short.
The moment you already using Mario Kart, Pokemon and Smash in our argument to win a point is enough for me. 
That says a lot of how good Sony game is doing at the moment.
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What do you mean if we match the total sales its close? Its not at all.
Dont you think adding PS3 sales of TLOU in a discussion about PS4 is disingenuous? I mean if we allow that than we have to add re-release sales of Nintendo games which puts PS4 even further behind.
Sony first party is doing great but its not on Nintendo levels yet and probably wont ever be.
