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fatslob-:O said:
SpokenTruth said:

Have you ever been to any of those countries?  Because you gave a misconception while trying to claim something else is a misconception.

Actually, I live in some of those countries and it took me SEVERAL YEARS to refer to a specialist in a rare genetic condition AFTER I was diagnosed with a blood clotting disorder so what exactly did I claim was a misconception ?

The fact that the US has the highest amount of specialists across the world if not maybe even the highest in proportion to general practitioners ? Superior cancer care ? Highest possible accountability ? Best all around access to many medical imaging equipment ? Holds the most amount of clinical trials and produces the most amount of new molecular entities ?

Are any of these statements misconceptions ?

Hiku said:

Better is not arguable imo when over 45 000 people die every year in the US because they can't afford healthcare. And that number is 0 in every other industrialized country.
Unless someone lacks compassion for people who are less fortunate than yourself. Just the other day there was a story about a mother who lost her child because the ambulance suggested she take a car, because she wouldn't be able to afford the ambulance ride. Only in America...

My friend from Florida got bit by a dog and had to get a rabies shot. He's just a college student but was forced to pay over $4000 USD for those shots. And that's a lot of money for a college student. If that happened to me I'd pay $10 - $15. What a garbage system.

Using ideology to advance your case does not help in your argument at all since one approach to health care does not invalidate the other ... 

What some patients view as justice or injustice is not necessarily the same for doctors. Universal health care is an institution that sharply clashes with Americas existing paradigm of health care innovation as I outlined before with the potential for our future generations being robbed of options in leading edge treatments or coming in unprepared with emerging illnesses. Life perishing maybe sad but a true tragedy is when multiple generations are born into this world faced with a lack of response for an incurable condition that could've been solved far earlier ... 

Universal health care proceeds to encroach upon what lies in our investment of beyond just current humanity and it also exists as a tool to appropriate a better future for many generations ahead. Do you truly think that sacrificing the potential of future generations by establishing a counterproductive institution is worth the short term fix of a small portion of our woes ? 

Why wouldn't the US has the highest amount of specialist because those very same specialist can pretty much write in what their services will cost.  The US will always have the highest because money speaks more volume then actual caring.  Yes the US leads in medical equipment all the things you list but then again, healthcare in American is a huge profit business.  The margins are off the charts and thus the industry will continue to make sure it stays that way.  What you do not mention is that gaining access to those specialist, equipment has a cost.  Not all insurance will cover a lot of those cost and if they do only partial sum.  So to play in your world still requires you to have deep pockets for find yourself with medical bills that wipe out your savings and cripple your ability to feed your family.

This all sound great and good but can you tell us why the lifespan of Americans is so much shorter than the average in other countries that do not have all these advances in medicine and medical practices.  If I were to read into your statement, basically the lives that is sacrificed for these so called advancement is necessary to support a system that continues to raise the price of admission.