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DonFerrari said:

PS4 sold 80M and have 35M of PSN+, much much much more PSN accounts or subs if you want to call.

The number of Subs and MAU MS reports include Silver accounts, Switch Minecraft, PC Silver and Gold, etc... so hardly a point for you to try and drive.

When I see almost half of PS4 userbase pay for the subs only to play multiplayer I'm very sad. In case you don't know PS3 had less than 10% (I believe even less than 3%) of it's userbase under PSN+ for the "free games" and discounts. Just putting MP under the paywall made it cross 50%. Also in case you don't know this have been a very stable metric, from 10M PS4 sold up to 80M the PSN+ have been 50% attach ratio, so the HW have drove the subs.

The point you are missing is consoles dont just automatically win you subs. They help but they dont just generate the numbers, majority wont just Sub just because. Xbox could sell 100m consoles and still only have a third of there customers subscibe. 35m are paid PSN users in an environment of over 80m consoles sold. Theres almost 2 thirds of PS customers not paying for PS+.

My point is HW helps but even if Xbox went on to sell 50m consoles, it seems MS care about the real profits and thats the Subs. 50+ million Xboxes sold with a high attachment to paid members is better than a ton of consoles sold (little profit) and small amount of subscibers. All console HW numbers do is help measure whos dick is bigger, its been like that ever since the beginning of sales charts. 

Heck look at it like this, PS3 and 360 sold similar amount of HW numbers in there lifetime, yet PS3 lost more money than any other console in the industry because HW isnt where the profits are. Wii's were cheap to produce,  360s had Paid subscibers and PS3 only had HW and SW.. it was not enough to turn Sony's fortunes around that gen. They lost billions. That is just a simple example of HW numbers not meaning everything. Yes it helps but its not everything.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/sony-lost-5-billion-on-ps3-losing-more-money-than--29131319/

Its time we start moving forward and look at the numbers that really matter rather than live in the past thinking HW numbers mean everything. 

Last edited by Azzanation - on 23 July 2018