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Machiavellian on 14 July 2018
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Azuren said:
Machiavellian said:
This should be interesting from here on out. I will keep this thread in mind when the next person acts the country fool, but people support that person and believe they should not get fired. I wonder if there is a double standard because I have definitely seem people support others that are abusive and say how they like how that person doesn't take any crap etc. Either way, anyone who acts like her should get the boot but then again, its social media in general where a lot of people should just not use it. I know a lot of guys who are my friends but I would instantly tell them not to get on Twitter or Facebook at least not public because they are A holes. I believe we all have A holes who are our friends but they are our A holes and you know the internet was not made for them and their opinion. Either way, I see this drama going on for the end of the year.

I don't agree that we should go on a witch hunt to fire people from their jobs, but I believe bigotry should be stamped out where it is found. That includes the bigotry of assuming everything a man wants to add to a discussion is mansplaining.

 

Kamiya doesn't lose his job for multiple reasons. First, he doesn't try gaslighting people as bigots. Second, he owns a pretty big part of Platinum Games. Third, Japan has a different culture with different values. And finally, he never attacked a fan without provocation (ie, didn't break one of his pinned rules or attack him directly), so it's never put as much strain on the brand as, say, inferring a black person looks like a monkey.

Basically what I see in this comment is you showing your own bias.  You defend Kamiya just like the people defending this woman.  You try to find edge cases to support that things are different with Kamiya then then woman but in reality it is not.  It doesn't matter if kamiya acted the ass when provoked or not, when he publicly act the ass he is representing his company and negative feedback.  The sole reason he does not get fired is because he is Kamiya and he is more important to his company.

Roseanne Barr lost her job, however, and rightfully so considering what was said. Even if she was married to a black man with a family of half-black children, you can't say the things she said online without damaging a brand.

Totally agree, but then again would she just been reprimanded and asked to give a public apology instead of being fired if she was considered more valuable to the Disney.  Its a question to consider.

Likewise, you can't haphazardly throw around a sexist label expecting to get everything you want in spite of constantly attacking the fan base and being a generally horrible person. Jessica Price was guilty of creating tension between a brand and its community. Then she took a baseball bat to that brand, and now she's foaming at the mouth because they dared to fire her while being men.

Totally agree here as well but that is the problem also with public forums.  You call it attacking the fan base, while to her it was her disagreeing with another person.  It seems people expect political tact when dealing with other people on public forums but only for the people they do not like.  At the end of the day, the company made a decision to fire her instead of asking her to give the person an apology.  The fact that everyone is supporting getting fired first means that this can and will always be the policy because of your support.  Now anything that is said that people disagree with, calls for firing will be the route and it will force people you truly want to interact with to go away.  

So I wouldn't say there's a double standard. For the most part, companies manage themselves in ways that make money. And if the presence of an individual is costing them money because of actions they had taken publicly... Well, they're gone.

Its a double standard because its never going to be equal.  It will always be political and most times it matters not if it make or cost money, its who benefits the most.  If you support this person firing, then you support anyone getting fired for anything they say out in public.  I am quite intimate with this situation because I was fired from Microsoft for posting on forums.  I was not abusive, I was not being an ass or rude or anything.  I was fired because it was found out that I worked at microsoft and so my statements at the time was considered coming from MS.  The whole topic was Mac vs PC and this was in the early 90s.  Now you have companies snooping around your facebook and twitter feeds.  Watching your public post on forums etc.  Its a catch 22 and you can believe that such things will get even worst before it gets better.