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nemo37 on 22 June 2018
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quickrick said:
nemo37 said:

That is primarily anecdotal on your part, I can easily bring up plenty of people that see it as a new game with substantial gameplay changes (in fact, the pro Smash 4 player that won the tournament said the game was quite different compared to Smash 4). Beyond that, Mario Odyssey's concept is not totally new either it is very much an iteration of Super Mario 64, Sunshine, and there are even elements from Galaxy and 3D World. We have also had games like Splatoon 2 which have very similar relationship to their predecessors that Smash Ultimate is having with Smash 4 and that game helped maintain momentum in the West and actually move a substantial number of consoles in Japan.

For me Smash Ultimate is just as much of a new entry as its predecessors (as a fighting game, that generally retains its style from one version to another, there is a limit on how much it can evolve), but lets say, for the sake of argument, that the majority of gamers see it your way in that it is a port. Well lets look at games like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which is a port, being both an evergreen title and a system seller. On other systems you have ports like The Last of US on PS4 and GTA V on PS4/XONE, both of which moved systems and sold well despite being ports. There is also the Switch's portable factor here, where games of this level from Nintendo where simply not possible on their previous handheld (Smash 4 on 3DS was substantially compromised compared to the Wii U version for example) so for many 3DS owners (where Smash 4 was mostly purchased on) this will be a substantial step up. Finally, BoTW was also available on Wii U, yet it drove Switch sales.

Just based on past precedence, Smash Bros and Pokemon Let's Go are both big and they will move large numbers of systems and the games themselves will sell quite well overall. The only thing in doubt here is whether or not they will be enough to move 20 million units this fiscal year. Personally, I am seeing Switch being between its first full fiscal year and the 3DS's second full fiscal year (13-15 million). For me the only way I see them approaching 20 million is with a price cut on the stand alone models in addition to bundles at the current price. 

Yes i l know the smash player that won said that, but opinions seems to differ you have other pro players are saying its smash 4.5, in the end we will will have to wait to see what the majority think and reviewers think, but the fact that people are arguing its 4.5, a port, just means its not impressive show case for a sequel, and doesn't look fresh.

I don't know...I mean there were all sorts of similar conversation around Mario Kart 8: Deluxe and BoTW (both of which were actual ports) being able to sell systems as well as just how new Splatoon 2 was (I recall a good number people in gaming forums calling it Splatoon 1.5, much like some who are calling Smash Ultra, Smash 4.5). So long as the game is of high quality and marketed well, I don't think these conversations particularly matter.