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KLAMarine on 20 June 2018
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twintail said:
KLAMarine said:

>Of course it's all profit driven at the end of the day but some seek profit by looking after the customer, others by locking them down.

Its money first. If an action just happens to benefit the consumer too then of course that is great and high five all round. Sonys action does indeed suck. At the very least they should allow ppl who move from one platform to the PS4 and then back to their original platform to not be locked out of their content. I think that is a compromise they can indeed make even if they keep ps4 paid content tied to the PS4 account.

Not sure what you're proposing here. Not sure Sony would agree to it either.

twintail said:
KLAMarine said:

I'm not sure I'd lay as much blame on EG as this. Yes it's their game but it's not always their network through which accounts are created and linked to other networks. I downloaded Fortnite and created my EG account through my Switch. I imagine EG has limited control on what the customer gets to see during this process. I also expect that to use Microsoft's and Sony's respective networks, EG has to play by their rules...

Sony has been the one to push against cross-play, there currently exists no cross-play between PS4 and Switch/X1 (X1 and NSW are able to cross-play and play the same accounts fine from what I understand), and the one EG points the finger to when trying to play a PS4-linked EG account through the Switch is PS4. If there's one place where I would expect Sony to have less control over what the user can and cannot see during EG account creation and such, it would be non-Sony platforms. 

This is why I lean on Sony as being the most responsible for how things have turned out.

It is their game. They do indeed have to play by the rules set by each platform provider. But this means that they do indeed know how the account system will work between platforms. They arent being blind sighted by anyone. The weird stipulations for account transfer by Sony is something they would have known when bringing teh game to the PS4 in the first place.

So no, trying to shield EG from blame makes zero sense here. The reality is that they would have known and agreed (even begrudgingly) to how this all worked. After all we already known that cross-play can work and that while the decision comes from Sony the actual implementation comes from EG. So again... they know how this all works.

Its rubbish that Sony locks the content. Its just as rubbish that EG promotes the game, allows account transfer but conveniently dosnt mention any issues when connecting to the PS4 version. EG has allowed these restrictions to exist. 

"the actual implementation comes from EG."

It's not entirely EG's implementation if EG wants Fortnite available on PSN. Sony gets a say on how Fortnite will work on and with their network and it's Sony that stands to benefit from these restrictions, not EG.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

"I was just trying to point out that PS helped in the battle royale/PUBG scenario early on and didn't try to lock it down. If they had tried to lock it down it would be somewhat anti consumer, contract or not."

>That's nice and all but it's not much help for people whose EG account is under Sony's thumb.

"Otherwise I pretty much agree with everything you said. Unfortunately the way the system as it exists now is the best we've come up with so far. It's a lot better than most as well. Hopefully it can continue to progress in a civil manner for the good of everyone. Until then though, sometimes it's just going to suck, but that dip will always at some point be balanced out by a peak. Just gotta stay as positive as possible and not get dragged down in the negative times."

>I prefer to think the consumer is more able to affect change than to just shrug and act passively. These multi-billion-dollar conglomerates don't need to be handled with kid gloves. Sometimes, when they act with a heavy hand like Sony has here, they need to be treated just as firmly if not more.

Kid gloves? How is what PS is doing so horrible when you agreed what XB did with PUBG was "scummy", or in other words, just as bad if not worse? It's not like XB did this back during the 360 days, or even at the beginning of the gen, it was just last year, after Phil has been spewing his 'I hate exclusivity' BS for years now. Yet all you've heard at XB E3 for the last couple years is exclusive, exclusive, exclusive, and now all of the sudden since it's 2018, everything changes because XB and Nin say so?

It's funny how I don't recall seeing anyone mentioning/offering that XB should definitely agree to port PUBG to PS4 asap, along with PS unlocking the Fortnite accounts. That kind of thinking where XB can get away with what they did but PS can't, is having your cake and eating it too, and life doesn't work like that. Why XB and Nin poked fun at PS and didn't bother to follow that up with a tweet like, 'hey how about a trade, PUBG for unlocked Fortnite accounts?', boggles my mind. The XB PR win on that one would be so huge due to how truly pro consumer it would be, but hey, let's all just forget about that an pay attention to who the media's bad guy of the week is.

If your going to say PS needs to be dealt with appropriately, I'm on board, but only if your going at it from every angle, holding everyone guilty of this "crime" accountable. Every single day, everything and everyone are blamed for a past they may or may not have had anything to do with, so console gaming surely doesn't get a pass.

Yes, I've said Microsoft's handling of PUBG is scummy and I stand by that statement but this thread isn't about PUBG, it's about Switch not being able to play an EG account hijacked by Sony. As far as I can recall, the Switch has never denied the release of a multi-plat game on PS4 and yet Sony has screwed over Switch owners.