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Mcube said:
KLAMarine said:

The PS4 platform we have now but this is a superficial thought experiment and nothing more. The fact of the matter is the PS4 platform we've had and still have is increasingly anti-consumer and regularly associated with some negative maneuvers in the industry.

We don't have to arrange our purchasing agreements to such an extent. We can provide feedback in other ways. In this case, blast a company for when they start to shit on the consumer and have them suffer backlash to show them that their lead is not as concrete as they think. Don't let them think they can get away with abducting third-party accounts for example and Microsoft blasting them for this policy would do good.

At its core, this industry is a business and without a contract or written agreement, no one owes anyone anything.

Was it scummy for Microsoft to deny PUBG on PS4? Absolutely and it would be fair game to blast Microsoft for that maneuver. Just the same, it's completely fair game to blast Sony for hijacking people's EG accounts.

At the end of the day, what I want is for these companies to compete and blast one another and try their very best to one-up one another all the while benefiting the consumer instead of burning the consumer in the process.

Microsoft paid for exclusivity for PUBG if Sony did that for Fornite fair play to them but they didn´t. This isnt even comparable to PUBG being exclusive to XBOX. 

XB used this thing called leverage, which comes in many forms, to make sure PS4 players can't play PUBG at all, and PS used leverage as well, to make sure they have exclusivity to Fortnite accounts on PS4, allowing everyone else to still play the free game. It's not the fault of PS that Epic either agreed to no warnings or not, locking accounts, just like how it's not the fault of XB that PUBG is exclusive to them, right? Epic and Bluehole both made choices, and now they are stuck where they are.

PS can easily allow this to blow over if they really want. Next time any new hot third party game comes out, PS can just make demands that are so anti consumer that no pub/dev, regardless of investors, will agree to them. Then when PS has 80+ million of their own customers losing their minds and creating a massive headache for whoever that pub/dev is because the game isn't coming to PS4, they will basically be forced to cave due to the mass negative social media activity towards them. Even if they tried to say, 'PS were big meanies and asked for too much', PS will just tweet small useless comments like everyone else does like, 'hey (insert dev/pub) wanna negotiate? #4theplayers'. Then a week later when PS stops being jerks on purpose, and locks up a more acceptable deal, they will come out smelling like the good guys even if that deal screws over XB and Nin again.

Who do you think the 80+ million PS4 owners are going to believe and side with? Two can play at this game if that's what XB and Nin want. I'd be careful if I were them.

KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:

I was just trying to point out that PS helped in the battle royale/PUBG scenario early on and didn't try to lock it down. If they had tried to lock it down it would be somewhat anti consumer, contract or not.

Otherwise I pretty much agree with everything you said. Unfortunately the way the system as it exists now is the best we've come up with so far. It's a lot better than most as well. Hopefully it can continue to progress in a civil manner for the good of everyone. Until then though, sometimes it's just going to suck, but that dip will always at some point be balanced out by a peak. Just gotta stay as positive as possible and not get dragged down in the negative times.

"I was just trying to point out that PS helped in the battle royale/PUBG scenario early on and didn't try to lock it down. If they had tried to lock it down it would be somewhat anti consumer, contract or not."

>That's nice and all but it's not much help for people whose EG account is under Sony's thumb.

"Otherwise I pretty much agree with everything you said. Unfortunately the way the system as it exists now is the best we've come up with so far. It's a lot better than most as well. Hopefully it can continue to progress in a civil manner for the good of everyone. Until then though, sometimes it's just going to suck, but that dip will always at some point be balanced out by a peak. Just gotta stay as positive as possible and not get dragged down in the negative times."

>I prefer to think the consumer is more able to affect change than to just shrug and act passively. These multi-billion-dollar conglomerates don't need to be handled with kid gloves. Sometimes, when they act with a heavy hand like Sony has here, they need to be treated just as firmly if not more.

Kid gloves? How is what PS is doing so horrible when you agreed what XB did with PUBG was "scummy", or in other words, just as bad if not worse? It's not like XB did this back during the 360 days, or even at the beginning of the gen, it was just last year, after Phil has been spewing his 'I hate exclusivity' BS for years now. Yet all you've heard at XB E3 for the last couple years is exclusive, exclusive, exclusive, and now all of the sudden since it's 2018, everything changes because XB and Nin say so?

It's funny how I don't recall seeing anyone mentioning/offering that XB should definitely agree to port PUBG to PS4 asap, along with PS unlocking the Fortnite accounts. That kind of thinking where XB can get away with what they did but PS can't, is having your cake and eating it too, and life doesn't work like that. Why XB and Nin poked fun at PS and didn't bother to follow that up with a tweet like, 'hey how about a trade, PUBG for unlocked Fortnite accounts?', boggles my mind. The XB PR win on that one would be so huge due to how truly pro consumer it would be, but hey, let's all just forget about that an pay attention to who the media's bad guy of the week is.

If your going to say PS needs to be dealt with appropriately, I'm on board, but only if your going at it from every angle, holding everyone guilty of this "crime" accountable. Every single day, everything and everyone are blamed for a past they may or may not have had anything to do with, so console gaming surely doesn't get a pass.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 19 June 2018

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