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Not was not the only claim I made. Read my comments more carefully. You are deliberately ignoring other parts of my responses such as how PS4 BC provides an instant library at the beginning of the PS5's lifecycle.
Your entire world seem to be so deep into the Sony eco system and you probably aren't aware that Microsoft already has enhanced BC and when the Xb2 release it won't be the Xb1 library but the entire Microsoft Xbox library. I guess your argument is that it only matters once it come to a Sony platform?? I heard rumors that E3 2018 Sony is expect to announce that they will finally bring PS1 & PS2 BC to PS4 so maybe one argument is going to gain more weight.
This is your entire counter-argument PS5 specs and PS4 BC later on in the thread you go on talking about specs are based on AMD's roadmaps. AMD recently had a press conference and their CPU & GPU roadmaps have remained unchanged. Guess what the competition is going to do. Microsoft has already proven ease of development with Xbox one X. They made it so easy that all XB1X enhance are make use of the full hardware power instead of simply getting the PS4 Pro upgrade. I've also provided links. Ease of development is even more important for Microsoft since they are the one that need to focus on better software to compete.
Then be more consistent. If power doesn't matter, then stop trying to push the (false) notion that the upgrade from the PS4 Pro the PS5 will not be substantial.
Well the only thing you've said so far was it's going to be substantial upgrade .... maybe if you comparing the PS5 to PS4. You've ignore any external factor that might impact PS5 and when I mention anything or any external factor you simply call everything red herrings, Strawman and ad nauseaum fallacies.
You demand counter argument and facts and the only counter you came up with every time was that it's red herrings.
Weaker competition? You can argue that, but saying that there is no competition is revisionist history.
You claim that I said there was no competition and accuse me of revisionist history. How about you look at history yourself or does all facts and historical data fall in the red herrings category?
The burden of proof falls on the person making the positive claim. This was your claim: "PS5 launch seem more like the PS3 launch (where Sony fan were still content with their PS2) there won't be the same level of excitement to make the jump (Ps3 to Ps4) and Sony fan will be hesitant to leave their platform of choice the massively popular PS4."
So all of your claim doesn't have the same burden of proof or does your moderator status remove the burden of proof from every thing you've said. Look at the claim that I made and PS4 Pro would like to say HELLO ..... I've provided an article... https://thenextweb.com/gaming/2017/08/22/xbox-one-x-ps4-pro-prove-old-console-cycle-dead/ but I guess that was RED HERRINGS again? You've dealt with entire mid gen refresh by simply not acknowledging it.
I already refuted this point. You just do not read my responses carefully enough. The PS4 will be even cheaper than the PS4 Pro. Price conscious consumers will go with the cheaper product which is the PS4, not the PS4 Pro. That's why 80% of PS4 sales are of the standard SKU. And nice going at ignoring the part where I said Sony could reduce PS4 Pro production in favor of pushing PS5 production and shipments. Also, good job at ignoring the part where I said consumers who buy the PS4 Pro do so because of power. However, since the PS5 will be significantly more powerful than the PS4 Pro, then they will opt for the PS5.
You refuted this point? With what? You claim to have refuted multiple times and all you've provided were bold statement and speculation of your own.
Wow you've made the argument Sony could reduce PS4 Pro production to push PS5? I guess burden of proof really doesn't apply to you, I can't even use Sony historical data (that would be red herring right?) that shown that Sony has always had an history of keeping the older version well stocked and kept supporting them long after they release their next gen consoles.
Why would power conscious consumers opt for the weaker system?
Did you not just made the argument for me? " 80% of PS4 sales are of the standard SKU". Your also making the assumption that a power conscious consumers are not also a price conscious consumers provide zero data to show how many PS4 consumers are power conscious consumers. (Burden of proof doesn't apply to you). In your scenario the power conscious consumers would have the choice between PS5 and PS4 Pro but will opt for the PS5. How come the power conscious consumers doesn't have a PS4 Pro???
Oh, right, that would contradict your claim that there will be no major improvement from the PS4 Pro to PS5.
Show me where I claim there would be no major improvement from the PS4 Pro to the PS5.
I stated that Nintendo can make a game on much weaker hardware and have that game be better then anything available on next-gen console and win game of the year.
I claim that consumer might actually buy the PS4 Pro over PS5 especially compare to PS3 to PS4.
I stated that both the PS4 Pro and PS5 are or going to be 4k consoles.
I claim that game will get PS4 Pro support long after PS5 release unless Sony waited till 2021 or later to launch the PS5.
