Aura7541 said:
That would describe your responses a lot more accurately than mine. I didn't state my personal views as facts. I made my counterarguments as potential reasons why the PS5 may do as well as the PS4 or better. You have not adequately refuted those points and yet again, you are making the same old recycled talking points ad nauseaum. Just because you can say the same things over and over again, doesn't make it true. Just because this thread is about speculation, it doesn't excuse your pitiful logic (e.g. your propensity to use red herrings and strawman fallacies).
And what evidence do you have to suggest this? For someone who likes to accuse me for stating my personal views as facts, you sure love to do it yourself. In fact, I asked you to provide data such as a survey, but you didn't. I already told you multiple times that late adopters are price conscious. They will only buy consoles if they're cheap. Those people who buy a PS4 late in this cycle will not get a PS5 until it becomes cheaper, too. Those aren't the same people who will buy the next gen console Day 1. I can also make alternative counterarguments against your repetitive assertions. For instance, the PS3 was a pain in the ass to develop games. On the other hand, the PS5 will continue to use x86 like the PS4 which will make the learning curve significantly less steep. PS2 -> PS3 development is way harder than the PS4 -> PS5 transition. The PS4 -> PS5 transition will also be easier than the PS3 -> PS4 transition since this will be the very first time (or as you love to say, "something we never seen before") Sony will not be changing architectures. This will allow greater initial software output for the PS5. In addition, going into this generation, analysts predicted that this generation of consoles wouldn't do well which made a lot of developers/publishers hesitant at the start. That won't be the case this time.
Ad nauseaum fallacy. I already made a counterargument to this assertion in which you have not properly addressed. Nintendo is now a powerhouse and yet, the PS4 is still doing well. Why would I expect Nintendo to a hypothetical reason for the PS5's struggles? I already touched on the popularity of the mobile market in my previous comment and pointed at how your chart is only a snapshot of what developers were interested in making games for at a particular point in time. Even if Microsoft launches the XB2 more strongly, that doesn't mean the PS5 can not achieve good results. Your insinuation that Sony manages amazing results when their competition were struggling is an ad hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. You even said, yourself, that software is what drives consoles and Sony (and 3rd party developers) has been delivering compelling software throughout this generation. What if Sony provides the PS5 a substantially better launch lineup than the PS4?
And yet, you kept asserting that the PS5 would not be significantly more powerful than the XB1X as if that was a significant issue. This sentence is incongruent with what you were saying prior. It is also incongruent with your claim that the PS4 Pro to PS5 jump won't be a major improvement in the exact same comment. If power, graphics, and resolutions did not matter so much, then why are you trying so hard to make a false claim that there won't be a significant jump from the PS4 Pro to PS5? Actually, I will touch on that later.
Another ad nauseaum fallacy. Repeating the same talking points isn't going to help you. To repeat myself again, the PS4 Pro appeals to the core audience who is more knowledgeable about the rumblings of the video game market. In addition, the PS4 Pro was designed for Playstation fans who cared about power. If they care about power, then they would pick the PS5 over the PS4 Pro since the former will be substantially more powerful. It is very unlikely that the PS5 will lose sales to the PS4 Pro. The PS5 may "lose sales" to the cheaper standard PS4, but this is nothing new. The PS3 was cheaper than the PS4 when the latter launched, too. That didn't stop the PS4 from being very successful. And here's another alternative counterargument that I have come up with. What it Sony reduces PS4 Pro production in favor of PS5 production? Sony can control how many PS4 Pro's can be manufactured and shipped. If Sony wants to push the PS5, then Sony can ramp up production and shipments of PS5's while doing the opposite to the PS4 Pro. You are right about the difference in power between Xb1X and Xb2, but Microsoft is moving their business model away from consoles with play anywhere, gamepass & Xbox live. They won't care if your on Xb1X, Xb2 or PC because it will be the same Microsoft eco system.
And here we go with another retread though in this case, you are now blatantly ignoring critical parts of my refutation. "Yeah, let's just talk about the resolution and ignore the parts where he talked about better textures and framerates. I'm sure he won't notice..." Also, no the actual jump in resolution is sometimes 1440p/sometimes 1800p or 1800c/sometimes 2160c to mostly 2160c/2160p. And this is only resolution we're talking about here. How about the texture resolution, shadow resolution, framerate, lighting, AI, and physics while we're at it? Oh, right, that would contradict your claim that there will be no major improvement from the PS4 Pro to PS5. Oh, and you also ignored in my previous comments about (1) developers using the PS4 and XB1 as the base platforms, not the PS4 Pro and XB1X and (2) the PS5's potential usages of Zen 2 (CPU), Navi (GPU), and GDDR6 (RAM). Nintendo Switch Specs (as confirmed by Digital Foundry)
https://thenextweb.com/gaming/2017/08/22/xbox-one-x-ps4-pro-prove-old-console-cycle-dead/
That still does not change the fact that consumers valued the PS4 more than the XB1 even though the former was $50 more expensive for much of 2015, 2016, and 2017. This year, we sometimes see the XB1 being sold for around $229, which is a $70 advantage over the cheapest PS4 SKU.
And how long will those games take? Has Fable 4 gone past the pre-planning stage? Will The Coalition and 343 try to churn out one more game this gen and if so, how long will it take after their next game to release their games for the XB2? It will work on both consoles Microsoft plan to support Xb1X for a while, you will get much better graphic on Xb2. There won't be enhance version of game like we saw on Xb1/PS4 anymore because all game will scale and your gaming library will automatically convert to Xb2 from Xbox original, Xbox 360, Xbox one. So even if the game release before the launch of the Xb2, when you buy the new consoles, you will get an Enhance version. Using the same technology that is current being use with the XB1X.
"Change in trends" is mere buzzword talk unless you actually show me empirical evidence that the mobile market is actually eating revenue away from the console market. In contrast, whenever I peruse the NPD threads on ResetERA, I often see Mat Piscatella citing growth in the video game market, particularly when it comes to software. But let me guess, you're just going to repeat the above paragraph with the words changed around? My bad, sorry I though this was common knowledge here is the stats. |
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