does microsoft afford to release the Xbox after the PS5?

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yvanjean said:

Software, Price & Hardware that is what sells console. Software being the most important factors in the buying decisions. Sony is going to dominate in term of software this entire generation. $50 or so cheaper doesn't really make up for the gap in software does it. Beside Microsoft is not cheaper they are on par at best... XB1 is less powerful than PS4 and should be cheaper and Xb1x is more expensive then the less powerful Ps4 Pro. 

Microsoft is not par, at best. The XB1X was not out until November of last year, so it hasn't been in the picture for even a quarter of this generation. If you saw what happened in the US during 2015 and 2016, the PS4 consistently outsold the XB1 even though the latter was more affordable. The XB1 got a boost with the XB1S, but had a poor sales performance for most of 2017 until the XB1X came around. If you want to make comparisons, make sure all the variables are accounted for, in which you clearly did not.

yvanjean said: 

 How do you think PS4 Manage to grow from PS3 they grab consumer that used to be on the PC, Xbox 360 or Nintendo platform. PS5 won't be the only option when it come time to make the jump to next gen. All we know is what happen with PS4 and Xb1 and Microsoft screwed up with message (DRM &multimedia console), Kinect 2.0, price & hardware.

Moot point. The PS4 wasn't the only option when this generation started. You also like to blame it all on Microsoft's poor messaging when it was more than that. The PS3's software support was still pretty strong in 2013 whereas if you looked at the 360, Microsoft did not do a good job providing it software support going into this generation. That also played a factor and we're seeing something similar play out this gen, as well.

God of War and Detroit have performed very well, sales-wise. Spiderman, Medievil, and Concrete Genie are coming up later this year. Next year, there will be Days Gone, TLOU Part II, and Death Stranding. Establishing a reputation of providing good quality 1st party titles will play a significant role as Sony transitions to the PS5.

I also fail to see how this paragraph directly addresses my points of my 2nd paragraph. My counterarguments included the importance of maintenance of ecosystems, the potentially less steep learning curve for PS5 game development, and potential backwards compatibility with PS4 games. This portion of your response is ultimately a big fat red herring.

yvanjean said: 

Hardcore audience tend to remain loyal and are less likely to make the jump to a new console. When PS4 release their competition was the Xb1, Wiiu and PC. Microsoft screw up their release and angered many gamers & WiiU was already a failure. Doesn't mean that just because they are core audience they will jump to the next console. So many Xbox 360 core audience made the jump to PS4. What matters though at the end of the day to be the market leader is attracting casual audience. 

That's a good strawman fallacy because that was not what I argued at all and you completely turned away from your original assertion that PS4 owners or new adopters will jump to the PS4 Pro. Let me explain it to you again. At this point in the generation, consumers who are looking buy a console are more price-oriented. The PS4 Pro is more expensive than the PS4, so most consumers will buy the standard SKU and my conclusion is corroborated by available data.

That entire paragraph of yours does not address a single one of my counterarguments and it is largely a repetition of your 2nd paragraph, in which that paragraph is a red herring.

yvanjean said: 

You keep ignoring that PS3 to PS4 was the start of new generation vs PS4, PS4 pro to PS5, we've never had a mid-gen refresh before, this is uncharted territory. PS4 Pro & Xb1X support will continue well after the PS5 release and give much less incentive to make the jump right away to PS5/Xb2.  Also, look at the trends in gaming now, Mobile gaming is becoming more and more popular. When you get games like PubG and Fortnite running on mobile that is direct competition to consoles. We don't know anything about PS5 but are you assuming that Microsoft will do worst to compete with Sony with the Xb2? Unless Microsoft were to leave the gaming market we can expect much better from them this time around. 

And here, you claim that I'm ignoring the context of the PS3 to PS4 transition when I have not. To quote part of my previous response:

"To respond to your last paragraph, I mentioned time and time again that ecosystems have become extremely important. The PS4 to PS5 transition will likely be much smoother than the PS3 to PS4 transition. For one thing, Sony will not be switching architectures which will make the learning curve for PS5 development less steep. I already mentioned the potential BC with PS4 games."

I acknowledged the context of the PS3 to PS4 transition, but I also pointed at the differences between that and the PS4 to PS5 transition and how that may be beneficial to the PS5. You did not address a single one of my points.

The PS4 Pro and XB1X are a souped up PS4 and XB1, respectively. They are not a new generation of consoles nor do they make up most of the respective userbases. Developers make games with the PS4 and XB1 in mind and then, ramp up the resolution, framerate, and/or other features for the upgraded iterations. Why? Because the vast majority of the consumers have the standard PS4 and XB1. The XB1X has never been the base platform nor will it ever be.

If developers want to implement more advanced AI and physics while also ramping up the resolution and framerate, the PS4 and XB1, and effectively, the PS4 Pro and XB1X, will be left behind. I already told you about the potential CPU and GPU architectures the PS5 will use as well as the usage of GDDR6 RAM. If you want to make a valid counterargument, then prove to me how Zen 2, Navi, and GDDR6 will not be significant upgrades over this generation of consoles.

Your pivot to mobile trends is yet another red herring. The discussion is largely about the PS5. The bolded is yet another strawman fallacy. I said that if Sony gets a year head start with the PS5, then Sony may end up eating a chunk of the Xbox userbase before Microsoft releases the XB2. However, I clearly said that I expect the PS5 and XB2 to release simultaneously. Considering how messy your comment is overall, you're less interested in addressing my counterarguments and more concerned about responding for the sake of responding. I mean, for goodness sakes, there is a 3 day gap between your response before the one I'm quoting and the comment I made 4 days ago, and that post was also logically flawed in spite of the amount of time you had to think it over.