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Aura7541 on 02 June 2018
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yvanjean said:

First of all I am well aware that PS4 is the best selling console in gaming history after the PS2. PS5 will have a hard time to match the amazing sales PS4 manage with Nintendo having recovered and Microsoft really stepping up their game and investment in gaming.  

It all depends on how long Sony wait to release PS5 .... I think we can agree that XB2 will either release simultaneously or after the PS5. 
The gap between release will depends entirely on when Sony release the next console. I don't think Microsoft will release a new consoles before Holiday 2020. If PS5 release in 2019 they will probably have a year advantage. But, the power advantage over Xbox one X won't be has significant. I don't think PS5 will come bundle with VR but if it does that might also increase its price.  Power is important in term of marketing but price even more so. The facts that Microsoft release a less powerful console at a higher price point just show how stupid Don Mattrick was has leader of the Xbox division. Sony should be forever grateful to him. Sadly for Sony, He's no longer around and Phil Spencer will give them a much bigger challenge. Microsoft has to really grow their worldwide presence before they will can ever Challenge Sony.... They will probably never take over Japan market unless Sony were to get out of the gaming business. But, if Microsoft can take back North America the numbers might get interesting for next gen. 

Can't compare the PS4 launch to PS5 .... The PS3 and Xbox 360 were stagnant and there wasn't mid gen release like we got with the Ps4 Pro and Xbox one X. The jump in power between Ps5 and Xbox one X won't be anywhere near what it was for Ps3 to Ps4. There simply no way the PS5 can do better then the PS4, Nintendo was failure with the WiiU, Microsoft was releasing a less powerfull machine for more $$$. When the PS5 launch they will have to compete against Nintendo, very cheap PS4 Pro/Xbox one X and what ever Microsoft is planning.

I wasn't questioning your awareness of the PS4's sales performance. I referenced the PS4's sales performance in spite of the PS3 (and also the 360) being cheaper as a counterpoint to your argument that the XB1X will sell better than the PS5 due to cheaper price. Arguing that the PS5 will struggle to match the PS4's sales performance because Nintendo has greatly recovered and Microsoft is stepping up their investment in gaming falls short. The PS4 is still selling very well in spite of Nintendo and Microsoft stepping up. In addition, I hinted that if Sony manages to retain all of its active users and PS+ subs, then the PS4 to PS5 transition will be much smoother than the PS3 to PS4 transition.

The power advantage over the XB1X will be significant even if the PS5 is released in 2019. The CPU will be far better than Jaguar in every shape and form. Ryzen runs circles around Jaguar in terms of energy efficiency, clock speed, IPC, and threads per core. Zen 2, which is the CPU architecture the PS5 will likely use, will be even better than Ryzen. GDDR6 will have far greater bandwidth than GDDR5 and the PS5 will also have more RAM than the XB1X. Lastly, the XB1X's GPU is based on the Polaris architecture (I think) while the PS5 will likely be using Navi, which is two GPU gens apart. You don't just look at the amount of teraflops and call it a day.

Why should Sony be forever be grateful Don Mattrick? You do realize that the PS4 still outsells the XB1 when the latter is cheaper. We have seen countless times where the XB1 is $50 cheaper than the PS4, but the PS4 still beats the XB1 in NPD. As for Phil Spencer, we're already 4.5 years into this generation, but Microsoft's 1st party software is greatly underwhelming. In addition, he's more focused on GAAS which emphasizes long-term revenue from subscriptions and microtransactions. There are several 3rd party publishers who develop multiplayer games and gain revenue through microtransactions. Sony gets a platform cut from their revenue while the company focuses on singleplayer story-focused games to push hardware sales and differentiate from the competition.

And yes, you can compare the PS4's launch to the PS5's. There will be differences in which I already named some of them in my previous comment, but that doesn't mean you can't compare them. You assert that the jump from the XB1X to PS5 won't be that great, but I already showed you where your reasoning falls short. You also assert that "there's simply no way the PS5 can do as well as the PS4", but you don't have much evidence to support that. Note that I never said that the PS5 will do as well as the PS4, but I suggested that there is a possibility that it can. One of the reasons I mentioned was backwards compatibility with PS4 games. Another reason I also mentioned was Sony's 1st party studios finding their rhythm which may allow the PS5 to launch with a substantially better library and we may not have to wait 3-4 years for the 1st party games to really pick up in quantity and quality.