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Angelus on 29 May 2018
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Insidb said:
Angelus said:

I'm pretty sure that's a fact.

You can very well enjoy TLJ, if you're just looking for a visual spectacle, and some cheap laughs. There was still some pacing issues, but ok, if you enjoyed it overall for those things….that's cool. You had a good time. Good for you. To say it was even remotely well written though…..I'm gonna have to look at you sideways.

Wouldn't say it was convoluted though, in fact, I'd say it was ridiculously basic. Like they could have maybe even gotten around the stupidity of certain plot elements if they'd bothered to convolute the shit out them lol

The plot wasn't convoluted, but the screenwriting was, to facilitate the gotcha moments. It just didn't make sense to introduce so many...pointless plot elements. There's a good 30 minutes to 1 hour of casino nonsense that was just unnecessary. As far as actual convolutions in the plot are concerned, though, what was the point of keeping Poe in the dark? Also, how did the codebreaker know Holdo's secret plan, if the only reason he met Finn and Rose was that they didn't know it (because Poe didn't know it.). It would have been better, if it had been completely excised: just bad, bad, bad. Maybe that's not convoluted and just plan stupid and illogical, like the great Rey identity non-answer. 

What really killed me was the ending and how wholly unnecessary it was, all to facilitate several gotcha moments. Rey should wake up at the start of episode IX, which starts at the beginning of TLJ, and warn Luke of a future she saw; just retcon the whole damn thing and fill in gaps to facilitate IX's arc.

I sort of get what you're saying, but examples like that are actually my point, where they could have maybe somehow tried to justify the bad writing if it had been convoluted, because that there is just the thing…...there is never any real reason given for those occurrences. It's just like "Ha! Idiot! I had a plan all along, I just didn't tell you cus the script said this would make me look good!" A Gotcha moment as you said. Now, if you wanted that moment to mean something, you could have written it in some way, where for a myriad of reasons - be they legit or BS - withholding that information made sense, but they didn't. Everything is boiled down to very basic concepts, and they're all badly executed. Like the whole cause of the main plot with the fuel issues that cause everything to play out as it does lol. You could have written in some convoluted space technology mumbo jumbo, sci-fi BS to attempt to explain this universe's slowest chase sequence, but instead the writers were like "meh….low fuel and stuff." 

As you said, stupid and illogical for sure. Convoluted….I'd say the opposite.