| sundin13 said: No. You are not signing a contract which accepts your spouse raping you when you get married. That is incredibly fucked up. Under no stretch of the imagination, does marrying someone mean that you have been warned that you might get raped, or that you should accept or live with such "flaws" in your significant other. There is no reasonable interpretation of marriage under which the threat of rape or abuse is implied. To make the statement that you have been warned about your spouse being a rapist when you say your vows, is to tell women who have been victims of abuse that they have signed up for this and they will be the one in the wrong should they try to flee from this abusive situation. Further, I agree with BradleyJ. The mindset of "she married me so she should be willing to fuck whenever I am" can and does lead to marital rape, but you have also been pushing a mindset which makes it more difficult for people to leave abusive relationships, makes it more difficult for individuals to get past their abuse and makes them feel like they are the ones to blame for the abuse. |
I don't mean to say that you are literally "warned" that you can get raped, I'm saying that you are warned about joining a human being that can carry any flaw carried by human beings and that is a FACT.
Also you are again misinterpreting my words: Where did I say that you sign a contract ACCEPTING that your spouse can rape you? Where on earth did I say that? Of course that this would be 'incredibly fucked up", and also incredibly dumb. Who would sign a paper that literally says that you accept being raped? But what is ALSO fucked up is that you are trying to imply that I said that. Why? It's one thing to disagree with me, but it's another to make me say things I did not say.
As for the threat of abuse or rape being implied in marriage, I never said it was implied either. No one marries assuming they can be abused, obviously. I'm ONLY saying people should be careful and consider the worst. Do I know that guy well enough to marry him? But people don't ask that question to themselves nowhere near enough before marriage and THAT is what I mean by them not taking responsibility of their choices to marry.
As for the mindset I have been pushing, you got me so wrong and are so further away from what I have been pushing that it hurts my back. The mindset I have been pushing is one where a woman WISE UP and is SMARTER and more CAUTIOUS and does not too easily TRUST a man and as a consequence will not so easily marry that man because she takes responsibility for her choice of marriage, therefore such a woman is ACTUALLY going to statistically avoid situations where she could fall victim to an abuser.
YOU on the other hand with this mindset of no responsibility for her choice, nothing she can do, just marry and see what happens, if it's a good guy, good if it's a bad guy, too bad... THAT mindset is the worst in my opinion, it's a mindset of ignorance, it's the SAME mindset where women are not educated to STD's and how they can be protected by using condoms from unwanted pregnancy or STD's or no one teaches them to be careful and smart and ask for a prenup contract to protect their assets before marrying some guy who could totally rob them blind etc. Because if you teach her to wise up and take RESPONSIBILITY for her choices, she'll be MORE in CONTROL of her life. So in my opinion not wanting a woman to take responsibility for her choices and therefore be more in control of her life is incredibly fucked up.
"It's not your choice, honey, it's not your responsibility, so no need to learn about life, choices, STD's, rape, robbers of assets inside marriage etc. No need to learn that my little girl cause you have NO RESPONSIBILITY in the choices that will be taken in your life...."
(THIS IS INCREDIBLY FUCKED UP and THIS is what I'm fighting in this debate) This is what I have been saying throughout this debate and yet some people not only ignored this but also went as far as saying that I am implying that women are guilty of men raping them within marriage which is as opposite as day and night to what I am saying.
Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 10 April 2018
