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KLAMarine on 15 January 2018
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Goodnightmoon said:

To suggest Rey is an excessively idealized female character and she sucks for that but then to deny Neo, Harry Potter or James Bond are excessively idealized males characters already proves my point, most of this complainst have a base on pure sexism, with her people tries to find every single little detail of why she is a Mary Sue, with them everybody does the exact opposite, try to find every little detail to prove why they aren't Marty Stus even when they clearly are if we apply the same values for all cases.

Also, I invite you to review a post, below, I made earlier in the thread on things like establishing a universe: Luke helped establish the Star Wars universe, Hit Girl helped establish the Kick Ass universe, Harry helped establish the rules in the HP universe.

Rey didn't establish the SW universe, she entered it and began breaking the rules such as one doesn't just attain force powers, they must be learned much like how Luke had to learn in training with Obi-Wan and Yoda.

KLAMarine said:
Goodnightmoon said:

I don't really think so but if we have to consider that she is Mary Sue then we have to consider that mainstream cinema is plenty of Marty Stus, but nobody ever complain nearly as much about those cause you know, they were men.

Or perhaps because these Marty Stus you speak of were not in the Star Wars universe but rather in their own universe with its own set of rules and their own CAPABLE antagonists who give the protagonist considerable difficulty.

You know who comes close to Mary Sueness? Hit Girl from the film Kick Ass: she defies odds and does things no kid her age should be able to do much like Rey does things with the force no newcomer should be able to do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfjO1PZxXc

One key difference?

Hit Girl gets rescued:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiuIU_88rNw

To add to that, Star Wars was always a franchise to be taken seriously while Kick Ass was more of a comedy-action type of film. The tones are different and the rules are different too: Luke helped establish the rules in the SW universe and in Kick Ass, Big Daddy helps establish the rules there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1E6GiB_BPU

 

I love Hit Girl and can't stand Rey in part because Hit Girl, even as ridiculous as the universe she is in can be, shows she's not untouchable and needs help in the end but Rey is always able to help herself when her predecessor, Luke, demonstrates several times that he too is in need of help. Help that was so vital, it saved his life.

 

To hell with Rey.